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Offline G-Unit

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2016, 09:09:03 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 21, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Thank you G-unit for that discussion but I saw the insight  again, the one I had at the beginning of my investigation, and that is Fiona's knowledge of the pyjamas was not preceded by a conditional statement.  She knew what Madeleine's pyjamas were like.  She didn't say "Kate told me her pyjamas were like .... ".
I read yesterday GA in his book refers to Fiona having visited the McCanns the evening/night of the 3rd.
I'm just going off memory here but it is quite fresh.  But this visit is not brought out in Fiona's statements that we have.  This is part of the translation problem where more things were said than ever recorded in the translated statements which often appear more a summary rather than word for word recording.

It may be something to do with this, from an LP officer;

I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne, but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed....... Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2016, 09:30:03 PM »
So at 7:00 PM the children had their pyjamas on for they were bathed before 6:00 PM.  So Fiona would have seen the pyjamas if that reference was correct but Fiona appears to deny this first hand knowledge in her statements.
If it wasn't that fleeting remark to Jayne we would have no further confirmation that Fiona had been to the McCanns on the evening of the 3rd. 
So do you agree she saw Madeleine's pyjamas or not?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2016, 10:37:28 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 21, 2016, 09:30:03 PM
So at 7:00 PM the children had their pyjamas on for they were bathed before 6:00 PM.  So Fiona would have seen the pyjamas if that reference was correct but Fiona appears to deny this first hand knowledge in her statements.
If it wasn't that fleeting remark to Jayne we would have no further confirmation that Fiona had been to the McCanns on the evening of the 3rd. 
So do you agree she saw Madeleine's pyjamas or not?

We don't have sight of these 'questionnaires' referred to, so who knows. 

According to their statements DP was supposed to be at the beach at 5pm, and MBM was still at nursery. Kate was jogging, Gerry was hanging round the Tapas.

DP was playing tennis at 7pm, Fiona was in her apartment and Gerry was on his way back from tennis, Kate and kids in apartment.
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Offline mercury

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2016, 11:24:01 PM »
Hopefully sy and lp and  pj info has been all integrated
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2016, 12:31:04 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on September 21, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
We don't have sight of these 'questionnaires' referred to, so who knows. 

According to their statements .... ...... was supposed to be at the beach at 5pm, and MBM was still at nursery. Kate was jogging, Gerry was hanging round the Tapas.

.... ...... was playing tennis at 7pm, Fiona was in her apartment and Gerry was on his way back from tennis, Kate and kids in apartment.
We might not have the questionnaires but we have 3 references indicating Fiona had an opportunity to see Madeleine's pyjamas.  That is 3 too many and her hesitation when questioned on this matter makes me feel Fiona needs to be questioned by SY re this aspect.
SY maybe able to access the questionnaire.
".... ...... was playing tennis at 7pm, Fiona was in her apartment "  but it only takes a moment for Fiona to pop downstairs and talk to Kate.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 12:36:00 AM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline mercury

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2016, 01:32:05 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2016, 01:30:27 AM
The important thing was that the man Jane saw was carrying a child.  The colour or frills or cuffs of the nightclothes she was wearing are in my opinion a bit of an irrelevance.

Only one child went missing that night.  Only one child was seen being carried away,

...it was the norm to see parents carrying their kids home
« Last Edit: September 23, 2016, 05:43:05 PM by John »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2016, 01:37:40 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2016, 01:30:27 AM
The important thing was that the man Jane saw was carrying a child.  The colour or frills or cuffs of the nightclothes she was wearing are in my opinion a bit of an irrelevance.

Only one child went missing that night.  Only one child was seen being carried away,
But SY have to distinguish between the abductor and just innocent occurrences of children being carried in that location e.g. Creche Man so the colouration of the pyjamas becomes very important.
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Offline Brietta

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2016, 01:41:57 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 22, 2016, 01:37:40 AM
But SY have to distinguish between the abductor and just innocent occurrences of children being carried in that location e.g. Creche Man so the colouration of the pyjamas becomes very important.

                 Just to be "almost certain"  &%+((£
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2016, 05:05:45 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on September 22, 2016, 01:41:57 AM
                 Just to be "almost certain"  &%+((£
Well who knows but to put a percentage on that it could be 99.9% certain.  That is pretty close to "almost certain".
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Offline mercury

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2016, 07:41:19 PM »
What i observe is that jane tanner has publically said she saw only the LEGS of the child (panorama)
So how does that square with the tapas 9 joint statement saying she  saw  a pink top? Anyone?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tapastimeline3.jpg&target=tlx_picyl09
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2016, 08:21:04 PM »
Quote from: mercury on September 22, 2016, 07:41:19 PM
What i observe is that jane tanner has publically said she saw only the LEGS of the child (panorama)
So how does that square with the tapas 9 joint statement saying she  saw  a pink top? Anyone?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tapastimeline3.jpg&target=tlx_picyl09
Where is this "So how does that square with the tapas 9 joint statement saying she  saw  a pink top?"  Joint statement?
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Offline mercury

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2016, 12:28:41 AM »
Where is it?
In my post and in your quote of it

 &%+((£
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Offline sadie

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2016, 01:02:21 AM »
Quote from: mercury on September 22, 2016, 01:32:05 AM
But that is utter crap as it was the norm to see parents carrying their kids home
It was the norm on routes back from a creche

BUT

Where Tannerman was seen walking was NOT EN ROUTE from any creche. 
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Offline John

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2016, 01:10:42 AM »
Quote from: sadie on September 23, 2016, 01:02:21 AM
It was the norm on routes back from a creche

BUT

Where Tannerman was seen walking was NOT EN ROUTE from any creche.

Unless he took the scenic route home or called in with someone for a chat.  Maybe he collected the child from a private creche facility or local baby sitter?
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Offline sadie

Re: It's highly unlikely that the colour pink would show up under a sodium street light.
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2016, 01:17:00 AM »
Quote from: John on September 23, 2016, 01:10:42 AM
Unless he took the scenic route home or called in with someone for a chat.  Maybe he collected the child from a private creche facility or local baby sitter?
If he is Crechman, then he picked his daughter up from OC creche, which is in the opposite direction to the direction he was walking.

He didn't use a private creche.
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