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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2016, 11:29:21 AM »
Clearly, Gerry wasn't happy about listening only.
Not only did he go to his apartment immediately after Matt had done is listening act at the window, but he actually set eyes on his children.
But doesn't even Amaral question whether this happened?  Personally one can't tell, but if you are like him and start doubting Gerry's evidence, I'm just unsure, but I'd prefer to believe him.
I think he saw that she was OK and was really pleased about that at the 9:00 PM check.
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Offline jassi

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2016, 11:39:50 AM »
But doesn't even Amaral question whether this happened?  Personally one can't tell, but if you are like him and start doubting Gerry's evidence, I'm just unsure, but I'd prefer to believe him.
I think he saw that she was OK and was really pleased about that at the 9:00 PM check.

I'm not sure I believe all the guff about him looking down and thinking what a lucky chap he was, but I've no doubt he looked in on them, otherwise why bother going at all?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2016, 10:22:41 PM »
I'm not sure I believe all the guff about him looking down and thinking what a lucky chap he was, but I've no doubt he looked in on them, otherwise why bother going at all?
Maybe it was just a guilt feeling because he never looked in on them all week (his words) but on that night felt he had to cos the door was more open, you know, just to check theyre ok, cos the door being not more open would have proved they were

Duh

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2016, 10:37:59 PM »
Maybe it was just a guilt feeling because he never looked in on them all week (his words) but on that night felt he had to cos the door was more open, you know, just to check theyre ok, cos the door being not more open would have proved they were

Duh
"his words"? Where can we see or hear this?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2016, 10:46:07 PM »
"his words"? Where can we see or hear this?

He told the world in his documentary called  madeleine was here, have you not come across it at all?
Its free to google and its on here in the video section too, from memory part 4 but not certain, enjoy
Here your donkey work done
Listen from 4.30

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2016, 10:58:21 PM »
Maybe it was just a guilt feeling because he never looked in on them all week (his words) but on that night felt he had to cos the door was more open, you know, just to check theyre ok, cos the door being not more open would have proved they were

Duh
Unless it was a very alert abductor and he/she returned the door to the exact same spot as they left.  But you are right all the other checks done by Gerry were listening checks at the door.  I had heard that before.  So as you say this 9:00 check Gerry did more than usual.  What was the driver behind this check even after Matt had reported the results of his check earlier on the three ground floor apartments?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2016, 11:01:29 PM »
Unless it was a very alert abductor and he/she returned the door to the exact same spot as they left.  But you are right all the other checks done by Gerry were listening checks at the door.  I had heard that before.  So as you say this 9:00 check Gerry did more than usual.  What was the driver behind this check even after Matt had reported the results of his check earlier on the three ground floor apartments?

Gerry says the driver was the door being more open!!

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #127 on: September 25, 2016, 11:20:54 PM »
Gerry says the driver was the door being more open!!
But why didn't he just accept that the Paynes had just came from there and Matt had done a listening check and that should have been enough parental checking at the 9:00 oclock mark.
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2016, 11:25:55 PM »
But why didn't he just accept that the Paynes had just came from there and Matt had done a listening check and that should have been enough parental checking at the 9:00 oclock mark.

Errrrr cos it was an outside check not an indoor one duh

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #129 on: September 25, 2016, 11:32:23 PM »
Errrrr cos it was an outside check not an indoor one duh
And someone had already entered his apartment despite the Paynes and Matt being around the apartments and while it was still light enough to see.  I always find that strange that someone would enter at such a busy time and still light enough to be seen.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2016, 09:29:20 AM »
The kids bedroom had 2 single beds in it and two cots.  I can't convince myself that Matt knew which bed Madeleine was asleep in, the one behind the cots or the one just around the corner. 
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At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2016, 09:36:39 AM »
Does Matt mean windows or shutters, for the only way to tell if the windows were shut or locked would be to test them physically, or if the shutters were down to lift the shutters and test the security of the window.  Lifting the shutters makes quite a racket so I can't imagine that being done.  So what does Matt mean when he states"
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That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the bedroom occupied by Madeleine."

How did he know they were closed if the shutters were down?
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Offline jassi

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2016, 09:43:09 AM »
What exactly is he talking about?  He says 'all the children's windows' - is he saying he was checking all the children of the group?  The McCann children were all in one room with one window.

I take your point about not being able to know if the window was open or closed if the shutters were down.
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2016, 09:45:11 AM »
How would Matt justify this statement?
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The question asked, he was sure that, at the time of his first being in the vicinity of MBM's bedroom, reported as 21h05 in the course of which he had approached the the window of that bedroom from the outside for the purpose of an auditory check, the blinds were, in his view, fully closed.
If the shutters were down and the windows closed how did he know from the outside that the blinds were closed?  That seems to be a little too far!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2016, 09:53:57 AM »
What exactly is he talking about?  He says 'all the children's windows' - is he saying he was checking all the children of the group?  The McCann children were all in one room with one window.

I take your point about not being about know if the window was open or closed if the shutters were down.
At his 9:00 PM check he did a outside listening check on three apartments.

I have a feeling Matt was concerned about something, so when some of the group were late he went back and checked up on them, but how far did his check go, how thorough was it?  When I worked as a security guard we were taught how to check the security of a building,  I can't even be sure that the McCann's front door was locked at all.  No one checked it as they left by the patio door.  No one like Matt who is supposedly around on that carpark side of the building says he checked the front door for security yet he says the blinds and the windows were closed.

I have a horrible feeling the McCann's front door wasn't locked.
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