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Offline G-Unit

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2016, 03:09:28 PM »
Sounds like the premise of a horror movie.  See, if it was me, I'd presume the catch had got loose and given way and think nothing more of it.  But then I live in a detached house and there is no way into the roof except through the house and so any intruder would have had to get past me first.  In Gerry's situation I'd have put the moving door down to air movement when I entered the apartment and given it no more thought unless of course one of my kids suddenly disappeared thereafter, and then I'd be wracking my brains searching for any evidence whatsoever that might suggest someone had come into the apartment and taken her and then I might  remember the door.

There' more! I was in my early 20's at the time, there was no catch and what I knew about attics was nil. It was a semi-detached army house. Next door was an Irish family. He disappeared a few weeks earlier and the MP's kept driving past in case he returned coz he was AWOL. He was a violent man, we used to hear him. Earlier in the evening his wife came to my door asking to buy cigarettes. She told me he was in her house and he wouldn't let her go to the shop in case she told on him. As I knew nothing about attics I wondered if it was possible for him to cross from his to ours, and it was his escape route. It was 1968 and Ireland was just kicking off. He'd gone off to join the IRA according to his wife. The following year my husband was on standby to go at an hour's notice with the first troops. He wasn't called, which was lucky and he never did go.

As the wind was blowing from the north west it was unlikely to have moved the door as the patio door was on the south side of the building. The wind would have blown in Gerry's face as he walked up the road from the Tapas. The only reason he offered was that Madeleine may have gone into his bed, although he also insisted that she only ever did this late at night, not early evening.
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Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2016, 03:33:09 PM »
There' more! I was in my early 20's at the time, there was no catch and what I knew about attics was nil. It was a semi-detached army house. Next door was an Irish family. He disappeared a few weeks earlier and the MP's kept driving past in case he returned coz he was AWOL. He was a violent man, we used to hear him. Earlier in the evening his wife came to my door asking to buy cigarettes. She told me he was in her house and he wouldn't let her go to the shop in case she told on him. As I knew nothing about attics I wondered if it was possible for him to cross from his to ours, and it was his escape route. It was 1968 and Ireland was just kicking off. He'd gone off to join the IRA according to his wife. The following year my husband was on standby to go at an hour's notice with the first troops. He wasn't called, which was lucky and he never did go.

As the wind was blowing from the north west it was unlikely to have moved the door as the patio door was on the south side of the building. The wind would have blown in Gerry's face as he walked up the road from the Tapas. The only reason he offered was that Madeleine may have gone into his bed, although he also insisted that she only ever did this late at night, not early evening.
The additional information you have given makes your fears / suspicions more understandable.  In PdL there would not have been any of that such as worries about violent neighbours etc.  Still doesn't excuse the not locking the doors IMO but still not enough grounds for being fearful or suspicious about a door that had moved slightly - yes, a child could have moved it, as could air movement, explanations which most people IMO would arrive at before lurking abductor.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #77 on: September 23, 2016, 07:07:00 PM »
The additional information you have given makes your fears / suspicions more understandable.  In PdL there would not have been any of that such as worries about violent neighbours etc.  Still doesn't excuse the not locking the doors IMO but still not enough grounds for being fearful or suspicious about a door that had moved slightly - yes, a child could have moved it, as could air movement, explanations which most people IMO would arrive at before lurking abductor.
Where would the air movement have come from?  I find that suggestion hard to comprehend.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #78 on: September 23, 2016, 07:14:18 PM »
He was checking if the children were asleep.  If only he and everyone else had paid more attention when they studied the exact science of hindsight when at school !!
There was only one (Grace), so if you hear the child breathing they are all there, not quite as easy when there are three of them (Madeleine, Sean and Amelie who was breathing?).
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2016, 07:33:10 PM »
Where would the air movement have come from? I find that suggestion hard to comprehend.

The usual means I expect, ie changes in pressure or temperature.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2016, 07:35:27 PM »
The usual means I expect, ie changes in pressure or temperature.
But what windows were open to allow for that.  Unless you are implying it happens when they open the sliding door?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2016, 07:42:23 PM »
The usual means I expect, ie changes in pressure or temperature.
The air movement issue is not as pedantic as it appears at first sight.

To cause door movement or whooshing curtains it requires not only an entry point but an exit point.

I cannot see within Kate's book or otherwise, what this exit might be.

Plus of course, we need gusty wind, and I'm not clear on that either.
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2016, 07:48:05 PM »
Open your mind, mercury.

Robitty is exploring every angle ... and that is good practice ...the solution could be in the detail.

Open my mind to what exactly?
The possibility that the mccanns made their checks on their kids by raising the patio living room shutters? When not only is it stupid but no one has claimed this happened except for rachel LOL

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2016, 08:00:08 PM »
Open my mind to what exactly?
The possibility that the mccanns made their checks on their kids by raising the patio living room shutters? When not only is it stupid but no one has claimed this happened except for rachel LOL
A lot of the case depends on the testimony of just one person in certain instances, so why should Rachel not be listened to?  Matt says he didn't go across the threshold, yet I find that harder to understand.  Be honest man, any person worth his salt would have peeped around the corner.
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Offline jassi

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #84 on: September 23, 2016, 08:02:47 PM »
A lot of the case depends on the testimony of just one person in certain instances, so why should Rachel not be listened to?  Matt says he didn't go across the threshold, yet I find that harder to understand. Be honest man, any person worth his salt would have peeped around the corner.

Ok, so why did he say he didn't do that?  Did he not want to be the last known person to have seen her ?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2016, 08:02:59 PM »
A lot of the case depends on the testimony of just one person in certain instances, so why should Rachel not be listened to?  Matt says he didn't go across the threshold, yet I find that harder to understand.  Be honest man, any person worth his salt would have peeped around the corner.

Yea, why didnt he peek round the threshold but thats nothng to do with shutters

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2016, 08:44:34 PM »
Yea, why didnt he peek round the threshold but thats nothng to do with shutters
Tricky - What options has he got left?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #87 on: September 23, 2016, 08:53:17 PM »
Tricky - What options has he got left?

Sorry, no comprende

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #88 on: September 23, 2016, 08:59:09 PM »
Sorry, no comprende
I'm sure if he did peek and he didn't see her at all he would have raised the alarm.  Agreed?  If you agree that is what a decent friend would do we'll look at the options if he sees her there?
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Offline mercury

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #89 on: September 23, 2016, 09:03:11 PM »
So you are introducing a scenario where matt couldnt find madeleine but told her parents all was well, dont buy it