Was the colour of the bedroom curtains as seen by Matt a clue?

[misty]

I think she was abducted between 9.10 & 9.30pm that night, the colour of the curtains seen by MO & the open door being the 2 main pieces of evidence.

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[Robittybob1]

I think she was abducted between 9.10 & 9.30pm that night, the colour of the curtains seen by MO & the open door being the 2 main pieces of evidence.

Could you expand on those two aspects please? Have you raised these before?

[mercury]

I think she was abducted between 9.10 & 9.30pm that night, the colour of the curtains seen by MO & the open door being the 2 main pieces of evidence.

Colour of the curtains?
and from your post i gather you thnk jane probably had  not have seen thr "abductor"

Ps why 9.30 there is zero evidence for that time being the max time anyone saw the child
Well actually zero evidence any saw the chld from 6.30pm or 5.30 rather from official sources of totally independent witnesses

[Robittybob1]

Colour of the curtains?
and from your post i gather you thnk jane probably had  not have seen thr "abductor"

Ps why 9.30 there is zero evidence for that time being the max time anyone saw the child
Well actually zero evidence any saw the chld from 6.30pm or 5.30 rather from official sources of totally independent witnesses

How would you define "totally independent witnesses"?

[Brietta]

Could you expand on those two aspects please? Have you raised these before?

Think about it, Robitty, if the shutters were down what would one notice about the curtains.  If the shutters were raised what difference would that make, bearing in mind the street lighting outside?

[John]

How would you define "totally independent witnesses"?

Easy, non tapas group.

[misty]

Colour of the curtains?
and from your post i gather you thnk jane probably had  not have seen thr "abductor"

Ps why 9.30 there is zero evidence for that time being the max time anyone saw the child
Well actually zero evidence any saw the chld from 6.30pm or 5.30 rather from official sources of totally independent witnesses

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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Now the room was, we talked also in the interviews about how light the room was and whether I could see the shutters, and I can't see the shutters because thee curtains were shut and, they're similar curtains to the ones you've got in there, and you just get an impression of just like green and yellow, but they were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that. But the room seemed light, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, whether it could be light coming in from the street outside, but there was a light behind us in the room and for some reason I thought, I got the impression of light coming through the doorway from behind me, which his why I said that I thought perhaps the moon was out, erm, but there as no sort of, you know, it's a questions of whether, there was no sort of slats of light coming through the back that particularly caught my eye. So I didn't specifically see the shutters and I couldn't say that they were definitely open, but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'.



The curtains were blue & white. What colour do they appear if an amber light is shining through them?
BTW MO correctly identified the colour of Madeleine's bedcover as blue.

[Robittybob1]

Think about it, Robitty, if the shutters were down what would one notice about the curtains.  If the shutters were raised what difference would that make, bearing in mind the street lighting outside?

Yes I see your point.  But Misty said colour of the curtains and I couldn't recall that the colour had been mentioned. 
If the shutters were up the street light would be hitting the back of the curtains, but if they were "blackout curtains like Goncalo described, would this little bit of light affect the colour?  I don't think that has been proven.

[mercury]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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Now the room was, we talked also in the interviews about how light the room was and whether I could see the shutters, and I can't see the shutters because thee curtains were shut and, they're similar curtains to the ones you've got in there, and you just get an impression of just like green and yellow, but they were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that. But the room seemed light, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, whether it could be light coming in from the street outside, but there was a light behind us in the room and for some reason I thought, I got the impression of light coming through the doorway from behind me, which his why I said that I thought perhaps the moon was out, erm, but there as no sort of, you know, it's a questions of whether, there was no sort of slats of light coming through the back that particularly caught my eye. So I didn't specifically see the shutters and I couldn't say that they were definitely open, but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'.



The curtains were blue & white. What colour do they appear if an amber light is shining through them?
BTW MO correctly identified the colour of Madeleine's bedcover as blue.

And?

Edited to say oh i see
The curtains were different colour cos the blinds were up?? And moonlight changed their colour but matt said no breeze or cold coming from window, ok

[John]

Yes I see your point.  But Misty said colour of the curtains and I could recall that the colour had been mentioned. 
If the shutters were up the street light would be hitting the back of the curtains, but if they were "blackout curtains like Goncalo described, would this little bit of light affect the colour?  I don't think that has been proven.

Any investigator worth his salt would have taken Matt back to the scene and gone through the two scenarios.  But alas we all know what happened there.  No reconstitution and some still ask what it would have achieved.

[Brietta]

Yes I see your point.  But Misty said colour of the curtains and I could recall that the colour had been mentioned. 
If the shutters were up the street light would be hitting the back of the curtains, but if they were "blackout curtains like Goncalo described, would this little bit of light affect the colour?  I don't think that has been proven.

See Misty's post above. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg356082#msg356082

Matt describes what the curtains would have looked like with the shutters raised despite the fact he did not see them in that position.
Neither did Kate.  It was only the slamming of the door and the curtains blowing in that alerted her.

[misty]

And?

Oh, fhs Mercury........

And your P.S.........if GM is telling the truth in that he saw the bedroom door open at 9.10pm & saw Madeleine sleeping, then you have to accept he closed the door to at that time. Therefore, when MO checked some 20 mins later, found the door open again & saw the curtains as green + yellow, then something had happened in the apartment during those 20 minutes.
However, if you do not believe GM's testimony at all, then it is a whole different ball game which offers no explanation for MO's testimony.

[John]

The moon rises in the east and since the children's bedroom window faced due north I don't think moonlight was a factor.  The documentary makers and Dave Edgar missed an opportunity to prove this one way or another when they had Matt back at 5a.

[Brietta]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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Now the room was, we talked also in the interviews about how light the room was and whether I could see the shutters, and I can't see the shutters because thee curtains were shut and, they're similar curtains to the ones you've got in there, and you just get an impression of just like green and yellow, but they were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that. But the room seemed light, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, whether it could be light coming in from the street outside, but there was a light behind us in the room and for some reason I thought, I got the impression of light coming through the doorway from behind me, which his why I said that I thought perhaps the moon was out, erm, but there as no sort of, you know, it's a questions of whether, there was no sort of slats of light coming through the back that particularly caught my eye. So I didn't specifically see the shutters and I couldn't say that they were definitely open, but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'.



The curtains were blue & white. What colour do they appear if an amber light is shining through them?
BTW MO correctly identified the colour of Madeleine's bedcover as blue.

I think there was sufficient evidence of abduction available to the police in the first few hours after Madeleine's disappearance.  The problem was that nobody coordinated it having been immediately sidetracked by trivia.
For example 'praying Arabs' and a distraught mother's request for a priest.

[mercury]

I think there was sufficient evidence of abduction available to the police in the first few hours after Madeleine's disappearance.  The problem was that nobody coordinated it having been immediately sidetracked by trivia.
For example 'praying Arabs' and a distraught mother's request for a priest.

Like a priest is a first port of call ok, not