Author Topic: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?  (Read 13245 times)

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2016, 03:48:55 PM »
The Oakley International report, delivered in November 2008, ...

Confirmation of what I've said all along.

The first investigation was shelved in August 2008.

There was no mandate to release the efits into the public domain earlier than they were.

Exton, a very experienced detective, would have known when, and indeed, when not a efit could be made public and he encouraged the McCanns to publicise them as soon as possible ie in November 2008.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2016, 03:50:02 PM »
Whyever not, they were produced some time early in 2008 so lots of time to publish them before the Archiving.  Oakley's Report appeared at the end of their contract while the e-fits were created at the beginning.

Key word: delivered: unavailable for release before then.

No mandate to release them earlier than the Crimewatch programme.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2016, 03:59:02 PM »
Key word: delivered: unavailable for release before then.

No mandate to release them earlier than the Crimewatch programme.

Did you read my post ferryman? Exton was an experienced detective. He would not have advised the McCanns to release the efits right away if he knew they'd be unable to do so.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2016, 04:02:52 PM »
Did you read my post ferryman? Exton was an experienced detective. He would not have advised the McCanns to release the efits right away if he knew they'd be unable to do so.

Did you read mine?

The efits were finally in the possession of the mCcanns after the first investigation was shelved.

The efits (in effect) were visual representations of a man, actually seen, and accused of a very serious crime, abducting a child.

That required a live and on-going police enquiry to investigate.

You simply can't accuse people of serious crimes like that that aren't even being investigated by any competent police force.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2016, 04:04:45 PM »
Did you read mine?

The efits were finally in the possession of the mCcanns after the first investigation was shelved.

The efits (in effect) were visual representations of a man, actually seen, and accused of a very serious crime, abducting a child.

That required a live and on-going police enquiry to investigate.

You simply can't accuse people of serious crimes like that that aren't even being investigated by any competent police force.

Then why did Exton, with all his years of experience, suggest that the McCanns did just that?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2016, 04:06:04 PM »
Oakley International's 6-month contract was axed in August 2008 just after the Archiving of the investigation.  Their Report did not appear until November 2008 as already pointed out.  They had every opportunity prior to August to publish the e-fits but were prevented from doing so, question is by whom and why?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2016, 04:10:41 PM »
Did you read mine?

The efits were finally in the possession of the mCcanns after the first investigation was shelved.

The efits (in effect) were visual representations of a man, actually seen, and accused of a very serious crime, abducting a child.

That required a live and on-going police enquiry to investigate.

You simply can't accuse people of serious crimes like that that aren't even being investigated by any competent police force.

The man in the efit wasn't being accused of anything other than carrying his daughter at about the time Madeleine was discovered missing. If anything the efits could have served to eliminate the individual and thus refocus the McCann's private investigation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2016, 04:11:05 PM »

The efits were finally in the possession of the mCcanns after the first investigation was shelved.


Yes, if you believe for a moment that Kennedy kept them out of the loop.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2016, 04:12:03 PM »
Oakley International's 6-month contract was axed in August 2008 just after the Archiving of the investigation.  Their Report did not appear until November 2008 as already pointed out.  They had every opportunity prior to August to publish the e-fits but were prevented from doing so, question is by whom and why?

The Portuguese just don't use efits, do they?

Or at least they didn't, back then.

Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2016, 04:13:45 PM »
The Portuguese just don't use efits, do they?

Or at least they didn't, back then.

The newspapers were full of artists impressions and e-fits.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2016, 04:14:00 PM »
The Portuguese just don't use efits, do they?

Or at least they didn't, back then.

All the more reason for the McCanns to release them.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2016, 04:14:24 PM »
The newspapers were full of them.

we've been through all that.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2016, 04:19:17 PM »
we've been through all that.

Care to answer my questions ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2016, 04:19:49 PM »
we've been through all that.

The fact stands. Kennedy and Halligen persuaded the Smiths to create e-fits early on in 2008 yet they never saw the light of day until Redwood came along years later.  No wonder the Sunday Times ran the story they did!

My own view is that the e-fits were merely intended to rule someone out, not to find an abductor so releasing them was not a priority.  Unfortunately, the e-fits backfired, the rest as they say is history.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2016, 04:29:57 PM »
The fact stands. Kennedy and Halligen persuaded the Smiths to create e-fits early on in 2008 yet they never saw the light of day until Redwood came along years later.  No wonder the Sunday Times ran the story they did!

My own view is that the e-fits were merely intended to rule someone out, not to find an abductor so releasing them was not a priority.  Unfortunately, the e-fits backfired, the rest is history.

I don't quite see the logic there. surely the two intentions are synonymous?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?