Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Brietta]

Harrison covered that very point, no shovel needed. I wonder was he aware of the Smith's sighting when he wrote his reports?

I don't think that the Policia Judiciaria placed much importance on the Smith sighting.  Jane Tanner's sighting was investigated - it was while following the route that Goncalo Amaral had his first sighting of Robert Murat.
The Smith sighting was investigated - the Smiths returning to Luz to do so.  Then the next mention appears to be when Martin Smith added to his statement, then when the Rebelo investigation sent officers to the Dolphin restaurant and Kelly's bar.

I would have expected Harrison to reconnoitre the area on foot if he had known about the Smiths and would have taken the dogs into nearby derelict areas or waste ground.

[sadie]

Well the court said he didn't and therefore wasn't present at whatever happened, so not sure how he should know. It was said that the beating happened in prison which the governor denied strangely enough.

No, as you must well know, the torture took place on the Algarve at Faro IIRC.  Why are you twisting facts?

Leonor was fetched at some ungodly hour, very early in the morning, from Odemira prison without the prison Governor Dr Ana Calados knowledge.  She was seriously tortured for hours only being returned two days later in a sorry state.  She was covered in bruises and virtually blinded for a month.

http://database.statewatch.org/article.asp?aid=29207

[slartibartfast]

No, as you must well know, the torture took place on the Algarve at Faro IIRC.  Why are you twisting facts?

Leonor was fetched at some ungodly hour, very early in the morning, from Odemira prison without the prison Governor Dr Ana Calados knowledge.  She was seriously tortured for hours only being returned two days later in a sorry state.  She was covered in bruises and virtually blinded for a month.

http://database.statewatch.org/article.asp?aid=29207

Can't be a very good governor if she didn't know a prisoner was taken ?

In fact if she said she was fine when she left the prison but didn't know she had been taken then she is making a statement that she can't know? I wonder who else was found guilty of that?

[sadie]

Can't be a very good governor if she didn't know a prisoner was taken ?

In fact if she said she was fine when she left the prison but didn't know she had been taken then she is making a statement that she can't know? I wonder who else was found guilty of that?

What a thoughtless response Slarti.  Dr Ana proved herself a very fine governor, putting herself on the line by supporting Justice for her prisoner against the PJ; a risky thing to do. No person is at work every hour of the day, but to remove  a prisoner would surely need the permission of the governor.  Procedures appear to have been ignored by the PJ.

Seems the Portimao PJ thought themselves above procedures?



Leonor was only admitted to Odemira Prison the previous day .... and in what must have seemed like the middle of the night, she was bundled away WITHOUT the Governors permissiion.  Then NOT returned for 2 days.   
It is quite a long journey from Odemira to Faro, at a quick estimation about 90 miles along twisting roads, in a police ?van probably going at breakneck speed.

Where have you got the idea that the Torture damage to Leonor could have happened prior to leaving prison ?   It's a cover up for the PJ, shift the blame onto the prison !

[Benice]

Well the court said he didn't and therefore wasn't present at whatever happened, so not sure how he should know. It was said that the beating happened in prison which the governor denied strangely enough.

According to sceptics - even if Amaral did not meet or speak to the McCanns it was his MO to observe them during interrogations without their knowledge.   In fact so closely apparently that he could make his own assessments of their body language and responses which he relates in his book.

If that is how he operated - then why would he not employ the same procedure in Leanor Cipriano's case?

The governor denied that Leonor was attacked in prison because she was fit and well when she left her prison and needed hospital treatment when she returned.  Nothing strange about that.

It all went pear-shaped for Amaral and other PJ officers when she refused to collude with them by lying for them.

[slartibartfast]

What a thoughtless response Slarti.  Dr Ana proved herself a very fine governor, putting herself on the line by supporting Justice for her prisoner against the PJ; a risky thing to do. No person is at work every hour of the day, but to remove  a prisoner would surely need the permission of the governor.  Procedures appear to have been ignored by the PJ.

Seems the Portimao PJ thought themselves above procedures?



Leonor was only admitted to Odemira Prison the previous day .... and in what must have seemed like the middle of the night, she was bundled away without the Governors permissiion.  Then NOT returned for 2 days.   
It is quite a long journey from Odemira to Faro in a police van probably going at breakneck speed.

Where have you got the idea that the Torture damage to Leonor could have happened prior to leaving prison ?   It's a cover up for the PJ, shift the blame onto the prison !

It's a cover up for the prison, shift the blame onto the PJ. Doesn't quite meet your narrative does it?

P.S. please explain how the governor knew.

[Benice]

Please cite the conviction for "rogue cop" ta

Rogue coos are defined by multiples of wrong doing in their job

please cite for him personally


It must be remembered that Amaral's one and only conviction was for changing a police timesheet in order to protect his subordinates.

The above quote is particularly interesting in the context when it has been disclosed that many serving police officers in the UK have criminal convictions.  So are these UK cops rogues too?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13067129.More_than_150_serving_police_officers_in_Scotland_have_convictions/

and...

Separate figures obtained from 18 UK police forces showed that there are at least 295 officers and police community support officers (PCSOs) with convictions who are currently serving with the police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33635962

Yes I'm aware of the above John, but fail to see what connection it has to Amaral's conviction.  Are you saying the fact that other police officers break the law makes it OK for any other police officer to do the same?   Surely not.

IMO any policeman who abuses his position to deliberately pervert the course of justice by committing a crime (no matter what that crime is) which results in the successful protection of criminals, or the conviction of an innocent person, is a rogue policeman - and should not be in the police force.

Torture would come top of my list as the most serious crime a policeman can commit against the people they are supposed to be protecting.

You say that Amaral changed a timesheet as if that was so minor it's hardly worth mentioning, but completely ignore his motives for doing so.

He colluded with others and tampered with evidence to deliberately pervert the course of justice, without any thought for the innocent woman who was in his care at the time, choosing instead to protect the criminals who attacked her.    Attempts to present those actions almost as an 'insignificant paperwork exercise' are inexplicable to me

Fortunately the PT courts recognised and understood the serious nature of his crime which was duly reflected in his sentence.

AIMHO

[sadie]

It's a cover up for the prison, shift the blame onto the PJ. Doesn't quite meet your narrative does it?

P.S. please explain how the governor knew.

No, the courts accepted that she had been tortured by several officers of the PJ ... and five were charged. 

But the devious sods had put a bag over her head so that she could not see, so she was unable to identify just which ones did it.    Barstewards!

You KNOW all this; it has been gone over umpteen times.  Why are you trying to change facts?  That is devious imho

[stephen25000]

No, the courts accepted that she had been tortured by several officers of the PJ ... and five were charged. 

But the devious sods had put a bag over her head so that she could not see, so she was unable to identify just which ones did it.    Barstewards!

You KNOW all this; it has been gone over umpteen times.  Why are you trying to change facts?  That is devious imho

Amaral did not torture anyone.

Your posts are mere deflections Sadie, and it won't work.


P.S. CIPRIANO remains a convicted murderer.

[sadie]

Amaral did not torture anyone.

Your posts are mere deflections Sadie, and it won't work.


P.S. CIPRIANO remains a convicted murderer.

Amaral did not torture anyone. << He was head honcho; it happened under his command.

P.S. CIPRIANO remains a convicted murderer. 
Yep, the greatest Miscarriage of Justice that I have ever come across.

[Lace]

Alf

don't you think the little girl needed justice ..or is it always just the parents...

why should it always be ag a who is fall guy ...or who always gets the blame.........

try blaming the parents..............

who have put themselves in the position they are in.............

If you wanted Madeleine to get justice you would want a Police Officer who could conduct a proper investigation.

I don't think Amaral should have been in charge of the investigation as he was an Arguido.     He lied in court.

Then he accused the McCann's of all sorts of ludicrous things in his book in order to turn the public against them and strengthen his theory that they were guilty of hiding Madeleine's body.

[G-Unit]

What seems to have happened is that Isobel Duarte invented things when she submitted points to the damages trial. This one for example;

16. Namely because of defendant Gonçalo Amaral’s statements in the book, in the documentary and in the interview to Correio da Manhã, author Kate McCann is immerged in a deep and serious depression, which has already made her state publicly, “I wish I was in a coma, to relieve the pain”?

Judge - Were you diagnosed with a clinical depression?

Kate Healy (McCann)  No. Depression is an over-diagnosed, over used term to diagnose those who feel a bit down, clinically I wasn't depressed.

She felt a bit down; exaggeration by the lawyer?

14. Authors Kate McCann and Gerald McCann feel a deep shame and an indescribable ill-being because they are considered, by most people who know the theories of defendant Gonçalo Amaral, as having responsibility in the death of their daughter, being so cowardly that they have hidden her cadaver, simulating abduction, all of this to avoid criminal prosecution?

Judge - You felt ashamed by it?
Kate Healy (McCann)  That is not the right word for it. People thought that we were bad parents.

What a peculiar answer. Doing what it says would make you a pretty bad parent to be sure, but that wasn't why people thought/think they were bad parents.

[sadie]

serious allegations? I am quaking in my boots. It would be nice to have a court case here in the UK where they
WILL HAVE TO PROVE I LIED.. oh dear how will they do that do you think?

They will have to show their evidence  of the search being hampered by Amarals book
They will have to show evidence of them NOT saying on the Operah Winfrey show that Jane saw the abductor and a child wearing pyjamas like those ( holding them up)
I will retaliate by showing the BBC crimewatch where, non sardine munching, cops say Jane never saw the abductor- he was a resident
and I would show her eyesight was not so great she could recall details of pyjamas. in that light at that distance before talking to the parents...

So, Sadie do you think I will be their next victim? hahahaha

It's up to you Mistaken, but I wouldn't like to see you in serious trouble.  A smack on the wrists perhaps. *&*%£

Only joking

[Angelo222]

Amaral did not torture anyone. << He was head honcho; it happened under his command.

P.S. CIPRIANO remains a convicted murderer. 
Yep, the greatest Miscarriage of Justice that I have ever come across.

I wonder what the child who was murdered would think of your comment?  In any event Leonor got off lightly for what she did, no bashing her head off a wall for her unlike the poor unfortunate child she murdered.

[sadie]

I see the post that Mistaken just posted calling Shining in Luz by the name Luz, has been taken down along with my post reminding him/her that Luz was the nasty piece of work who tore the Madeleine appeal posters down and boasted about it.

My response has been taken down too; in fact it never was shown. 
Why?  have I hit the nail on the head?



This makes me wonder, 'Is Shining actually Luz' on a come back mission ?  Back here on a different name heavily disguised to begin with as a Mccann supporter?

The fact that her blog is riddled with titles "The Mccanns did it" (or similar words) adds to that suspicion.  That Shining, is pure and unadulterated disinformation and propaganda.

You are not dull.  You know as we all know that loads of people dont bother with the small print below the heading in large bold print.  People just read "The Mccanns did it" written by a 'respected' blogger.



Shining:  Are you a re-incarnation of the poster Luz?