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Offline Carana

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #135 on: October 29, 2016, 02:40:47 PM »
No, he was 'picked on' because several of the tapas group and an overzealous female reporter fingered him when all he had done was try to help by acting as an interpreter for them.  One even took part in a covert exercise to identify him.

As for disposing of a body, how hard would it have been to carry her off, hide her and return later when all had gone quiet?  Local help was never a necessity.


Hmmm?

The Tapas 3 reacted when they saw him coming out of the police station on TV and denied whatever it was (helping to translate that night, from memory). Was he already an arguido at that point?

Offline Carana

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #136 on: October 29, 2016, 02:45:17 PM »
People fail to realise the circumstances of why pressure was put on Leonor Cipriano.  A young girl with a history of neglect was missing, her mother initially claimed she had been abducted then changed her mind claiming she had hit the girl, that she had hit her head off a wall and died of her injuries.  The police were desperate to find this child in case she was still alive and the mother was refusing to cooperate.  Little wonder she got a mild beating with a cardboard roll. I would have done the same in the circumstances, it might not be ethical but in those circumstances a speedy resolution was needed.

It's all very well people moralising after the event but they were not there or put in the unenviable position the police were put in. I cannot fault them.

Angelo, you're a mod. This isn't the right board on which I could respond to this. Suffice to say that I disagree.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #137 on: October 29, 2016, 03:18:36 PM »

Hmmm?

The Tapas 3 reacted when they saw him coming out of the police station on TV and denied whatever it was (helping to translate that night, from memory). Was he already an arguido at that point?

Three of them told the PJ that they saw him outside apartment 5a hours after Maddie disappeared.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #138 on: October 29, 2016, 03:21:44 PM »
Angelo, you're a mod. This isn't the right board on which I could respond to this. Suffice to say that I disagree.

Disagree with what Carana? 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline misty

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #139 on: October 29, 2016, 03:29:08 PM »
Three of them told the PJ that they saw him outside apartment 5a hours after Maddie disappeared.

That happened AFTER RM was made an arguido, not before.

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #140 on: October 29, 2016, 04:11:12 PM »
No, he was 'picked on' because several of the tapas group and an overzealous female reporter fingered him when all he had done was try to help by acting as an interpreter for them.  One even took part in a covert exercise to identify him.

As for disposing of a body, how hard would it have been to carry her off, hide her and return later when all had gone quiet?  Local help was never a necessity.
Easy as pie I'm sure, and you're going to tell us how a foreigner disposed of a body within walking distance of Apartment 5A without any digging implements or independent light source in the middle of the night, in the middle of a tourist holiday village, not only disposed of the body but did it so effectively that 10 years later it still has not been found!

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #141 on: October 29, 2016, 04:17:34 PM »
People fail to realise the circumstances of why pressure was put on Leonor Cipriano.  A young girl with a history of neglect was missing, her mother initially claimed she had been abducted then changed her mind claiming she had hit the girl, that she had hit her head off a wall and died of her injuries.  The police were desperate to find this child in case she was still alive and the mother was refusing to cooperate.  Little wonder she got a mild beating with a cardboard roll. I would have done the same in the circumstances, it might not be ethical but in those circumstances a speedy resolution was needed.

It's all very well people moralising after the event but they were not there or put in the unenviable position the police were put in. I cannot fault them.


Yes we've seen the photographs of the horrific injuries which this 'mild beating' caused. (I can't believe you wrote that Angelo). 

IIRC Matthew Oldfield was reduced to crying and shouting during his first interview with the PJ.     Apparently they were accusing him of handing Madeleine through the window to a third party.    I presume this 'theory' was based on his being the last person in 5A before she disappeared.  (Page 123 of Madeleine)

It would come as no surprise to me if the same tactics were employed in LC's case and the accusations as to what   had happened to her daughter emanated  from the PJ - not from LC.   If they could reduce a grown man to a state of near hysteria with their interrogation tactics - what chance a vulnerable woman?

The police were told Joanna was missing and had done nothing about it - except to send the mother home telling her to come back the next day if she hadn't returned.

Appalling behaviour on the part of the police and something which I have no doubt they would not wish to dwell on.

AIMHO
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 04:22:33 PM by Benice »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Offline Carana

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #142 on: October 29, 2016, 04:54:57 PM »
Three of them told the PJ that they saw him outside apartment 5a hours after Maddie disappeared.

That might just be a wee bit misleading Angelo. When did the T3 tell this to the PJ?

If you mean that when he later appeared on TV and denied having been out helping to translate that night, when the T3 thought that he was the person they'd seen that night, then ok.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 04:59:00 PM by Carana »

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #143 on: October 29, 2016, 05:30:37 PM »
Three of them told the PJ that they saw him outside apartment 5a hours after Maddie disappeared.

They didn't approach the police until AFTER he was made an arguido and he was shown on TV.  Until then they had no idea that he was involved in any way.

As some of them remembered seeing him around on the night of the 3rd - they then informed the police.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #144 on: October 29, 2016, 06:08:14 PM »
well it seems the mccs ......went after G A wanting him to be fall guy from almost the beginning ....

at a time when all they should have been interested in ......was finding maddie ......
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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Offline xtina

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #145 on: October 29, 2016, 06:24:55 PM »
Alf

don't you think the little girl needed justice ..or is it always just the parents...

why should it always be ag a who is fall guy ...or who always gets the blame.........

try blaming the parents..............

who have put themselves in the position they are in.............
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:50:20 PM by John »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline John

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #146 on: October 29, 2016, 06:30:58 PM »
But he was a rogue cop - and has a criminal record to prove it.

Please cite the conviction for "rogue cop" ta

Rogue coos are defined by multiples of wrong doing in their job

please cite for him personally

It must be remembered that Amaral's one and only conviction was for changing a police timesheet in order to protect his subordinates.

The above quote is particularly interesting in the context when it has been disclosed that many serving police officers in the UK have criminal convictions.  So are these UK cops rogues too?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13067129.More_than_150_serving_police_officers_in_Scotland_have_convictions/

and...

Separate figures obtained from 18 UK police forces showed that there are at least 295 officers and police community support officers (PCSOs) with convictions who are currently serving with the police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33635962
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:35:55 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #147 on: October 29, 2016, 06:46:06 PM »
Easy as pie I'm sure, and you're going to tell us how a foreigner disposed of a body within walking distance of Apartment 5A without any digging implements or independent light source in the middle of the night, in the middle of a tourist holiday village, not only disposed of the body but did it so effectively that 10 years later it still has not been found!

When I am out and about doing what I do, often in faraway places with strange sounding names, the one thing that really busts my ass is the "no can dooers".
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 06:50:42 PM by John »
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Offline John

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #148 on: October 29, 2016, 06:52:42 PM »
Easy as pie I'm sure, and you're going to tell us how a foreigner disposed of a body within walking distance of Apartment 5A without any digging implements or independent light source in the middle of the night, in the middle of a tourist holiday village, not only disposed of the body but did it so effectively that 10 years later it still has not been found!

Harrison covered that very point, no shovel needed. I wonder was he aware of the Smith's sighting when he wrote his reports?
« Last Edit: November 01, 2016, 10:54:30 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #149 on: October 29, 2016, 07:04:40 PM »
No.  I'm suggesting he was a very poor copper if he didn't.

Well the court said he didn't and therefore wasn't present at whatever happened, so not sure how he should know. It was said that the beating happened in prison which the governor denied strangely enough.
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