Author Topic: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?  (Read 49807 times)

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Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #225 on: November 03, 2016, 06:38:53 PM »
Again, it depends on the date of this incident.  Pre-arguido?  Post-arguido? Pre removal from the case?  Post removal from the case?

He wrote his book when he left the force,  he could say anything in it couldn't he?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #226 on: November 03, 2016, 07:09:48 PM »
That is if you believe what he says.    He could be fitting those written paragraphs with the incidents that occurred in order for the reader to think the McCann's were responsible.

For instance,  maybe his dog did die,  but did Sophia actually say what she did
I don't know if his dog died.  I don't know if his wife said what is claimed.

But if you wish to suggest otherwise, you need to provide something more pertinent than a dislike of Amaral.

Amaral is entitled to the same courtesy as the McCanns.  Forum rules do not permit unsupported negative speculation about the McCanns.  Forum rules do not permit unsupported negative speculation about Amaral.  Or about Grime, who appears to be another whipping boy.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 01:32:00 PM by John »
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #227 on: November 03, 2016, 07:12:05 PM »
He wrote his book when he left the force,  he could say anything in it couldn't he?
The pertinent date is the date of the burglary, and how that fits with the other dates.
What's up, old man?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #228 on: November 03, 2016, 07:21:25 PM »
Now the burglary.   He says his dog was barking and howling.   Then he explains about his temper saying that the British police should concentrate on the Portuguese investigation.   Then you get this -

At last, I get home. It’s when I visit my neighbours that I finally understand the reason for my dog’s agitation the previous night. Their house has been burgled. The thieves left behind lots of valuable objects but snatched a briefcase containing personal documents. Deep down, I can’t help thinking that perhaps they mistook their target.

So what is he insinuating this time?

Why do you believe he is insinuating anything?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #229 on: November 03, 2016, 07:25:42 PM »
Amaral was insinuating that maybe they were meant to burgle his home to get his briefcase with his notes of the investigation.

If no one can see this then you must be blind.
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Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #230 on: November 03, 2016, 08:58:20 PM »
I wonder how Amaral's wife reacted to the the news that her dog had been dumped in a bin.   Doing that was also uncalled for IMO.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 01:40:52 PM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #231 on: November 03, 2016, 09:40:27 PM »
I wonder how Amaral's wife reacted to the the news that her dog had been dumped in a bin.   Doing that was also uncalled for IMO.

Masterful understatement.

Imagine how sceptics might have responded if Kate had written something similar in her book.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #232 on: November 03, 2016, 09:59:56 PM »
Masterful understatement.

Imagine how sceptics might have responded if Kate had written something similar in her book.

Always assuming said sceptics had read the book and viewed it as something other than that which it is.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #233 on: November 03, 2016, 10:14:23 PM »
I wonder how Amaral's wife reacted to the the news that her dog had been dumped in a bin.   Doing that was also uncalled for IMO.

I have no idea and neither do you. I was discussing the tone of Ferryman's post towards Amaral's wife. She, from what I understand, spent a lot of time alone while he worked on the McCann case. She had every right to be nervous when she found her dog killed and has done nothing to deserve being discussed in a sarcastic manner.
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Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #234 on: November 03, 2016, 11:38:54 PM »
I have no idea and neither do you. I was discussing the tone of Ferryman's post towards Amaral's wife. She, from what I understand, spent a lot of time alone while he worked on the McCann case. She had every right to be nervous when she found her dog killed and has done nothing to deserve being discussed in a sarcastic manner.

Anyone is fair game for some if it leads them to stack up the boogy man argument

Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #235 on: November 04, 2016, 09:24:52 AM »
I have no idea and neither do you. I was discussing the tone of Ferryman's post towards Amaral's wife. She, from what I understand, spent a lot of time alone while he worked on the McCann case. She had every right to be nervous when she found her dog killed and has done nothing to deserve being discussed in a sarcastic manner.

But why should she be nervous about her husband working on the McCann case?

Its Amaral who tells us (below) that Sophia linked the death of her dog to the McCanns .      Amaral then tells her that her fears are irrational and that justice must be done for Madeleine - but only after he has firmly planted the seed of a connection between the killing of their dog to the McCanns in his readers minds IMO.

He uses this same 'seed planting' tactic throughout his book.

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When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people’s. For her, the dog’s death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It’s my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done.
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AIMHO
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #236 on: November 04, 2016, 10:10:43 AM »
G A wife and children are totally innocent in all this ...yet have had their life ruined....through no fault of their own

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« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 01:48:22 PM by John »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #237 on: November 04, 2016, 10:24:08 AM »
But why should she be nervous about her husband working on the McCann case?

Its Amaral who tells us (below) that Sophia linked the death of her dog to the McCanns .      Amaral then tells her that her fears are irrational and that justice must be done for Madeleine - but only after he has firmly planted the seed of a connection between the killing of their dog to the McCanns in his readers minds IMO.

He uses this same 'seed planting' tactic throughout his book.

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When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people’s. For her, the dog’s death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It’s my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done.
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AIMHO

To repeat; my point is not what Amaral said, hinted, or inferred. My point is that Amaral's wife isn't fair game for nasty insinuations;

Amaral (as I say), plagiarising Harrison, wrote this sob-sob story of his wife pleading with him to quit the investigation after finding the body of their pet dog with head injuries, and she is scared (poor lamb!).
Ferryman

Was she supposed to take the death of her dog in her stride? I think a lot of people would have been unnerved to find their dog dead from head injuries. It seems those who lecture others on empathy can empathise only with certain chosen ones.
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Offline Benice

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #238 on: November 04, 2016, 10:58:48 AM »
To repeat; my point is not what Amaral said, hinted, or inferred. My point is that Amaral's wife isn't fair game for nasty insinuations;

Amaral (as I say), plagiarising Harrison, wrote this sob-sob story of his wife pleading with him to quit the investigation after finding the body of their pet dog with head injuries, and she is scared (poor lamb!).
Ferryman

Was she supposed to take the death of her dog in her stride? I think a lot of people would have been unnerved to find their dog dead from head injuries. It seems those who lecture others on empathy can empathise only with certain chosen ones.

I may have had more sympathy for Sophia if she had not injected herself into the case with her open letter to Kate which incidentally is 100%  sarcastic from beginning to end. 

The whole dog incident as described by Amaral in his book is an attempt to infer (via his wife)  that there was some sinister connection between the death of the dog and the McCanns.   Although why she would come to that conclusion on her own -  he does not explain. 

AIMHO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #239 on: November 04, 2016, 11:08:26 AM »
To repeat; my point is not what Amaral said, hinted, or inferred. My point is that Amaral's wife isn't fair game for nasty insinuations;

Amaral (as I say), plagiarising Harrison, wrote this sob-sob story of his wife pleading with him to quit the investigation after finding the body of their pet dog with head injuries, and she is scared (poor lamb!).
Ferryman

Was she supposed to take the death of her dog in her stride? I think a lot of people would have been unnerved to find their dog dead from head injuries. It seems those who lecture others on empathy can empathise only with certain chosen ones.

It seems you have more empathy for someone who has lost their dog than the McCanns who have lost their daughter
No lecture needed to show the absurdity of that