Author Topic: Video: Uncle reveals how Joana Cipriano was murdered and later fed to the pigs.  (Read 6341 times)

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Offline Carana

It's all there in the very comprehensive Supreme Court Report documents but to help you...

According to João Cipriano the assault occurred in the kitchen of the family home.

Leonor Cipriano went out and purchased cleaning materials after the disappearance was reported.  Residue from these material was found in various locations including the kitchen wall and door frame.

http://www.dgsi.pt/jstj.nsf/954f0ce6ad9dd8b980256b5f003fa814/bfaf1cea93ab75fb8025716200388d89?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,cipriano

I can't find what you're referring to in that judgment.

From the witness statements
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2977.0

A testemunha AA5, mãe de II, declarou que a CC esteve em sua casa desde 5ª feira a domingo, dia 12 de Setembro, indo para a Figueira com a mãe pelas 18 h. Nesse dia à noite (já estava deitada) o II telefonou-lhe a perguntar se estava lá a CC, tendo a testemunha respondido que a CC tinha ido com a mãe, ao que o II a informou que a CC tinha desaparecido. Disse ainda a testemunha que a arguida BB tinha a casa sempre limpa e tratava bem da casa. Num dia, depois de lá ter ido a SIC, reparou que havia carraças à porta de casa e num pilar e disse à BB para ela ir comprar creolina para as matar. A BB comprou petróleo, dizendo que não havia creolina, e foi a própria testemunha que procedeu à limpeza, no exterior da casa, com a esfregona.

AA5 is Leandro's mother. She was the one who'd noticed bugs on the door and a pillar and told Leonor to go buy some creosote. The shop didn't have any, and gave her "petróleo" (a petroleum-based product, possibly paraffin), and it was Leandro's mother who used the product on the outside of the house with a wire brush.


A testemunha CC4 , inspector-chefe da P.J., confirmou o auto de busca e apreensão de fls. 173 na casa da arguida BB, quando foram encontrados vestígios hemáticos no chão, nas paredes, no balde e esfregona e na sola de umas sapatilhas que estavam na sala. Referiu que os vestígios eram muito pequenos e que era visível que o interior da habitação tinha sido lavado, e não só o chão, notando-se ainda as marcas da passagem da esfregona nas paredes e nas portas. Referiu ainda que esta lavagem do chão e paredes contrastava com o resto da casa, que estava "imunda", com roupa suja por todo o lado e louça por lavar "de 15 dias". A testemunha esteve presente na reconstituição dos factos, como consta de fls. 273 ss, cujo teor confirmou e referiu que na sequência desta reconstituição, seguindo indicações do arguido AA, procuraram o corpo num aterro de terra e noutros locais da Mexilhoeira Grande, numa lixeira, em Poço Barreto, num carro acidentado existente na sucata do padrasto do II, em Silves, etc., locais onde procuraram exaustivamente mas sem êxito. Confirmou que a configuração da casa é a que consta da planta de fls. 294 e que a porta que dá acesso à rua tem um manípulo do lado exterior que permite a entrada imediata na residência. Confirmou que a arguida tinha na sua posse, quando chegou à cadeia de Odemira, o recibo da compra de 1 litro de petróleo e de um esfregão de arame, de que se tentou desfazer, e que foi entregue à P.J. pela Directora do E.P. - confirmou que o recibo é o de fls. 876. Ainda referiu que seguiu a pista de um cidadão marroquino que podia ter levado a CC, segundo indicações da arguida BB, mas veio a apurar que na altura do desaparecimento da CC esse indivíduo estava em França.


CC4 is the chief inspector (TdeA?). Confirms that she had a receipt in her bag for a litre of "petróleo" (the paraffinn stuff) and a wire brush.

Whatever "petróleo" actually is, kerosene or paraffin, it ain't bleach and it was the mother-in-law who used it to kill off the bugs outside.

And I can't find anything about a receipt for bleach in there.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2018, 09:46:50 AM by Carana »

Offline John

Do you recall what he said please, as the video link no longer works?

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Offline John

That's kind of you, John.

I've been through it more than once. Could you point me to a specific part of what you're referring to?

"15- that defendant BB used detergent and bleach in the washing of the wall and floor where signs of blood from the CC were;"

"Also worthy of note was the purchase by the defendant of oil and a steel scrubber (pages 876), with which she washed the house on September 18, and witnesses CC3 and CC4 reported that the cleaning of the floor and walls of the house contrasted with the state of dirt from the rest of the house"

"aad) on 18.09, defendant BB acquired oil and a steel mop, with which she washed the house, thus taking advantage to erase almost all the evidence of what had happened there, leaving only traces of human blood inside the house, contaminated products used;"

Defendant BB is Leonor Cipriano, mother of the murdered girl.

http://www.dgsi.pt/jstj.nsf/954f0ce6ad9dd8b980256b5f003fa814/bfaf1cea93ab75fb8025716200388d89?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,cipriano
« Last Edit: April 08, 2018, 12:14:08 AM by John »
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Offline misty

"15- that defendant BB used detergent and bleach in the washing of the wall and floor where signs of blood from the CC were;"

"Also worthy of note was the purchase by the defendant of oil and a steel scrubber (pages 876), with which she washed the house on September 18, and witnesses CC3 and CC4 reported that the cleaning of the floor and walls of the house contrasted with the state of dirt from the rest of the house"

"aad) on 18.09, defendant BB acquired oil and a steel mop, with which she washed the house, thus taking advantage to erase almost all the evidence of what had happened there, leaving only traces of human blood inside the house, contaminated products used;"

Defendant BB is Leonor Cipriano, mother of the murdered girl.

http://www.dgsi.pt/jstj.nsf/954f0ce6ad9dd8b980256b5f003fa814/bfaf1cea93ab75fb8025716200388d89?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,cipriano


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2969.msg106321#msg106321

Not proved.

Offline John

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Offline Carana

To a high legal standard no but very likely all the same.

So is it fair to say that you haven't found where the idea that kerosene = bleach came from aside from someone's imagination, either?


- The step-mother testified that she noticed bugs on a pillar (photos don't show any indoor pillar, so I assume the area is outside).
- She sent Leonor off to buy creosote, but the shop didn't have any, and she came back with kerosene, which also has pesticidal properties. *
- The step-mother then duly brushed down the area with the kerosene and a wire brush.
- This was 6 days after Joana disappeared.

So... for a whole week, no one living in or visiting the house noticed bloody prints on the inside?
Just how likely is that?



* Kerosene is an effective pesticide, killing a large variety of insects, notably bed bugs and head lice. It can also be applied to standing pools of water to kill mosquito larvae. It covers the insects' respiratory spiracles with a thin film of oil, which prevents the exchange of oxygen, smothering the insects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene

Offline John

So is it fair to say that you haven't found where the idea that kerosene = bleach came from aside from someone's imagination, either?


- The step-mother testified that she noticed bugs on a pillar (photos don't show any indoor pillar, so I assume the area is outside).
- She sent Leonor off to buy creosote, but the shop didn't have any, and she came back with kerosene, which also has pesticidal properties. *
- The step-mother then duly brushed down the area with the kerosene and a wire brush.
- This was 6 days after Joana disappeared.

So... for a whole week, no one living in or visiting the house noticed bloody prints on the inside?
Just how likely is that?



* Kerosene is an effective pesticide, killing a large variety of insects, notably bed bugs and head lice. It can also be applied to standing pools of water to kill mosquito larvae. It covers the insects' respiratory spiracles with a thin film of oil, which prevents the exchange of oxygen, smothering the insects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene

Could be the kerosene was used to disguise the area cleaned previously.  The exact sequence of events are so obscure because of the numerous lies told by Leonor Cipriano that we might never know what really went on during that first week. 

Needless to say, any truly innocent mother of a missing child will cooperate fully and honestly with the police charged with finding him or her and not spin a load of lies and half truths in order to frustrate the enquiry at every opportunity.

What we know of the Joana Cipriano case clearly indicates family involvement in that poor little girls disappearance.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2018, 08:01:31 PM by John »
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Online Angelo222

Could be the kerosene was used to disguise the area cleaned previously.  The exact sequence of events are so obscure because of the numerous lies told by Leonor Cipriano that we might never know what really went on during that first week. 

Needless to say, any truly innocent mother of a missing child will cooperate fully and honestly with the police charged with finding him or her and not spin a load of lies and half truths in order to frustrate the enquiry at every opportunity.

What we know of the Joana Cipriano case clearly indicates family involvement in that poor little girls disappearance.

I find it shameful that anyone would want to lend any support to this murderous pair for a moment.
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Offline Carana

I find it shameful that anyone would want to lend any support to this murderous pair for a moment.

I have problems understanding why some on this forum (miscarriage of justice, after all) is so unwilling tto accept that the evidence for this case was so flimsy that it should never have been brought to trial in the first place.

Online Angelo222

I have problems understanding why some on this forum (miscarriage of justice, after all) is so unwilling tto accept that the evidence for this case was so flimsy that it should never have been brought to trial in the first place.

Flimsy?   Both Ciprianos admit to killing Joana on different occasions and you find it difficult to understand why they were prosecuted.
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Offline Carana

Flimsy?   Both Ciprianos admit to killing Joana on different occasions and you find it difficult to understand why they were prosecuted.

Yes, they did, but in unaccountable circumstances. (IMO)

What else is there in terms of evidence?

The short-lived investigation revealed nothing of substance, IMO, unless you've found something that I haven't.

And with a questionable defense. (IMO)

Offline John

Yes, they did, but in unaccountable circumstances. (IMO)

What else is there in terms of evidence?

The short-lived investigation revealed nothing of substance, IMO, unless you've found something that I haven't.

And with a questionable defense. (IMO)

I have no doubt that both Ciprianos had involvement to one extent or another in Joana's demise, the actual chain of events however might never be known.
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