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ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2016, 09:14:46 PM »
They werent inspecting the bloody gym for signs of madeleine were they???? It was a location for inspection of items.

What was the purpose of the inspection in the gym?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 12:10:31 AM by John »

Offline mercury

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 09:15:59 PM »
What was the purpose of the inspection in the gym?

The gym was not inspected
Clothes and other belongings were IN THE GYM

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 09:17:53 PM »
The gym was not inspected
Clothes and other belongings were IN THE GYM

The gym (according to the official account!) was inspected.

That is, according to the official account.

Offline jassi

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2016, 09:19:21 PM »
All material has been released into the public domain, much of it deeply damaging to the reputations of innocent people, inviting analysis and leaving a need for answers.


Oh dear me, what a shame.

The information is out there so we can see what was done.  There is no need for the Portuguese to justify their investigation.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 09:22:42 PM »

Oh dear me, what a shame.

The information is out there so we can see what was done.  There is no need for the Portuguese to justify their investigation.

We can indeed but that apparently is not the game.
The same topic has ben closed down several times only to arise instantly like a poxy phoenix out of the ashes.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2016, 09:24:03 PM »
We can indeed but that apparently is not the game.
The same topic has ben closed down several times only to arise instantly like a poxy phoenix out of the ashes.

It becomes a bit if an obsession for some.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 09:31:50 PM »
Of course the only (valid) criticism is that these vital points are not discussed nearly as extensively as they should be.

No one proffers a answers to the questions I ask because they have none.

Offline jassi

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2016, 09:35:03 PM »
Of course the only (valid) criticism is that these vital points are not discussed nearly as extensively as they should be.

No one proffers a answers to the questions I ask because they have none.

Vital ? - to whom?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2016, 09:35:26 PM »

Oh dear me, what a shame.

The information is out there so we can see what was done.  There is no need for the Portuguese to justify their investigation.

Your indifference to the suffering of others doesn't surprise me in the least.

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2016, 09:36:04 PM »
Vital ? - to whom?

Vital to those not indifferent to the suffering of others.

Offline jassi

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2016, 09:38:53 PM »
Your indifference to the suffering of others doesn't surprise me in the least.

I find it makes life easier with things that are outside of my control.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2016, 09:39:49 PM »
They werent inspecting the bloody gym for signs of madeleine were they???? It was a location for inspection of items.

They were re-inspecting clothing earlier ignored by both dogs in the villa.

Why?

And what explanation for no reaction in the villa, yet reaction in the gym, of exactly the same clothing.

What explanation for inspecting clothing at all
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 12:18:38 AM by John »

Offline Brietta

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2016, 09:40:12 PM »
Scent-transfer is the principle that made special mockery of the inspection in the gym.

The point has (rightly) been raised that all items, apparently, 'reacted to' in the gym were transported in the same container, meaning that (in the event of any item in the box having a death-scent) it would have transferred to all items in that box.

However, that point, though important, misses a wider and still more important point.  Those clothes were in common circulation as clothes are for fully 3 months after the crime: worn, washed, packed in suitcases, folded away on wardrobe shelves (etc, etc,), meaning that cross-transfer of a death scent (assuming, I don't, that there ever was one) would have occurred long before the 'inspection', rendering said inspection nul-and-void.

What was the point of any of it?

I doubt very much if the 'information' from the transfer of clothes to the gymnasium from the McCann villa would have stood up in a court.  That is, if it was even capable of getting that far.

There was a good reason that the case against the McCanns didn't result in them being charged with any criminal offense.  There simply wasn't any evidence to warrant bringing charges resulting in a court case.
In fact, there was never any justification in making them suspects in the first place.

Even had there been any evidence resulting from the inspection of clothes in the villa and then again in the gymnasium ... the aquisition of it was so amateurish and flawed that a legal defence team would have made mincemeat of it and anyone presenting it.

I sincerely do not think a man with Harrison's CV would wish to be associated with a process where the chain of evidence was unclear and the exhibits packed in such an inexperienced higgledy piggeldly manner.
It just wasn't a professionally carried out process.

Read the information below ... then make a mental comparison with what we have read and watched on video with what actually happened in the Praia da Luz inspections.


Preserving and maintaining evidence collected at a scene is crucial. The key is understanding evidence and understanding the proper way to package it.

First, a few important points:

Choose packaging of the proper size and material for the evidence.

Package each piece of evidence separately, and properly label, seal, and document it.

Evidence tape is designed to fracture easily to indicate tampering; it’s not meant to hold bags shut and boxes together.
Use packing tape to seal bags and boxes, then place evidence tape over the packing tape.
Sign across the tape, with half the signature on the tape and half on the package.
That way, your evidence will be securely packaged, and you’ll notice any tampering.

For basic collection, you’ll need an assortment of clean, new paper and Ziploc bags.

Never use an old paper sack or an old plastic bag, or you risk contaminating your evidence.

If you put a sweater from the scene into an old grocery bag and the lab finds a hair, they won’t know if it came from the bag or the sweater.

http://www.forensicmag.com/article/2013/02/properly-packaging-evidence
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 09:43:31 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2016, 09:43:59 PM »
Vital to those not indifferent to the suffering of others.

Oh dear, you'll have me in tears in a moment    @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2016, 09:46:04 PM »
I doubt very much if the 'information' from the transfer of clothes to the gymnasium from the McCann villa would have stood up in a court.  That is, if it was even capable of getting that far.

There was a good reason that the case against the McCanns didn't result in them being charged with any criminal offense.  There simply wasn't any evidence to warrant bringing charges resulting in a court case.
In fact, there was never any justification in making them suspects in the first place.

Even had there been any evidence resulting from the inspection of clothes in the villa and then again in the gymnasium ... the aquisition of it was so amateurish and flawed that a legal defence team would have made mincemeat of it and anyone presenting it.

I sincerely do not think a man with Harrison's CV would wish to be associated with a process where the chain of evidence was unclear and the exhibits packed in such an inexperienced higgledy piggeldly manner.
It just wasn't a professionally carried out process.

Read the information below ... then make a mental comparison with what we have read and watched on video with what actually happened in the Praia da Luz inspections.


Preserving and maintaining evidence collected at a scene is crucial. The key is understanding evidence and understanding the proper way to package it.

First, a few important points:

Choose packaging of the proper size and material for the evidence.

Package each piece of evidence separately, and properly label, seal, and document it.

Evidence tape is designed to fracture easily to indicate tampering; it’s not meant to hold bags shut and boxes together.
Use packing tape to seal bags and boxes, then place evidence tape over the packing tape.
Sign across the tape, with half the signature on the tape and half on the package.
That way, your evidence will be securely packaged, and you’ll notice any tampering.

For basic collection, you’ll need an assortment of clean, new paper and Ziploc bags.

]Never use an old paper sack or an old plastic bag, or you risk contaminating your evidence.

If you put a sweater from the scene into an old grocery bag and the lab finds a hair, they won’t know if it came from the bag or the sweater.

http://www.forensicmag.com/article/2013/02/properly-packaging-evidence

Neither bog-standard cardboard boxes.

Good post, Brietta.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 09:48:08 PM by ferryman »