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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #345 on: November 24, 2016, 09:46:26 PM »
Think on this evidence. Two people missing at 9.10pm. Mrs Carpenter is alleged to have heard someone calling 'Madeleine' some time between 9.15-9.30pm. The chef finds the table empty at 9.40pm......

Compare the 'official' evidence.

Gerry and Jane checking at 9.10pm. Dianne in the loo? (she said she visited it) so three couples at the table. An empty table with belongings on it? Dianne left the belongings when she went to 5A the first time, then went back for them.


The cooking was done in the restaurant but next door to the bar.  The restaurant and bar are seperate but closely placed buildings.
So the cooking is done in the building marked Restaurant; is that right?
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Offline sadie

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #346 on: November 24, 2016, 10:23:46 PM »
So the cooking is done in the building marked Restaurant; is that right?
Yep, almost under the arrow

Gawd knows why I should help you tho, after your rudeness on the other thread.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #347 on: November 24, 2016, 10:37:09 PM »
Two different bookings for six couples.
Time portals and "Goodnight Sweetheart"...............................?
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Offline sadie

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #348 on: November 24, 2016, 10:41:39 PM »
Two different bookings for six couples.
Time portals and "Goodnight Sweetheart"...............................?

ORLY ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #349 on: November 24, 2016, 10:51:37 PM »
So the cooking is done in the building marked Restaurant; is that right?

Not all of it;

During the times meals are served, she works outside the restaurant for some of the time, near to the grill
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Offline sadie

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #350 on: November 24, 2016, 11:08:29 PM »
Not all of it;

During the times meals are served, she works outside the restaurant for some of the time, near to the grill
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SVETLANA_VITORINO.htm
When I was there all the cooking was done in the grill area.   Maybe certain types of meals (roasts?) were imported from the main Millenium or other main restaurants .. and reheated up at the Tapas Restaurant?  Dunno about that.  I couldn't see any other cooking going on except for in the grill area.

How about you Stephen ?  Where did they cook when you were there?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #351 on: November 25, 2016, 12:27:34 AM »
Yep, almost under the arrow

Gawd knows why I should help you tho, after your rudeness on the other thread.
was I being rude to you?
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Offline sadie

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #352 on: November 25, 2016, 12:33:29 AM »
was I being rude to you?

Well you were certainly very abrupt .. and i always found N.Zealanders very affable.

Maybe you meant nothing by it ... All forgotten now anyway

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #353 on: November 25, 2016, 04:19:49 AM »
Well you were certainly very abrupt .. and i always found N.Zealanders very affable.

Maybe you meant nothing by it ... All forgotten now anyway
Thanks Sadie it wasn't intentional I'll assure you of that.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #354 on: November 25, 2016, 05:41:39 AM »
Two different bookings for six couples.
Time portals and "Goodnight Sweetheart"...............................?
Patel Cox and Irwin they seem to be the other 3 couples present from the list.  I'm aware the PJ tried to identify the Irwin couple.  Were they booked in as MW customers?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared  was this the Irwin couple? 

The blogger TextUSA asks some valid questions: http://textusa.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/real-quiz-night-at-tapas.html
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Thursday booking form
A couple named Irwin dined at the same time as T9, then another couple the Sperrys who would have been dining at the same time as T9, where are their statements? Maybe these people didn’t want to ‘play the game’ and I don’t mean the quiz game?

Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday only Mark Warner guests dined at the Tapas because it’s noted on the form but on the Friday form it’s not stated.
As all guests have to pay for food and drinks at the Tapas what does it matter which holiday company they have travelled with?
Were they paying for their food each and every night?  If they were they all seem to have done a runner on the Thursday night!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #355 on: November 25, 2016, 05:55:19 AM »
The article by Bridget O'Donnell emphasises the issues of using the creches. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
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In the evenings, babysitting at the resort was a dilemma. "Sit-in" babysitters were available but were expensive and in demand, and Mark Warner blurb advised us to book well in advance. The other option was the babysitting service at the kiddie club, which was a 10-minute walk from the apartment. The children would watch a cartoon together and then be put to bed. You would then wake them, carry them back and put them to bed again in the apartment. After taking our children to dinner a couple of times, we decided on the Wednesday night to try the service at the club.
We had booked a table for two at Tapas and were placed next to the Doctors' regular table. One by one, they started to arrive. The men came first. Gerry McCann started chatting across to Jes about tennis. Gerry was outgoing, a wisecracker, but considerate and kind, and he invited us to join them. We discussed the children. He told us they were leaving theirs sleeping in the apartments. While they chatted on, I ruminated on the [ censored word ] and cons of this. I admired them, in a way, for not being paranoid parents, but I decided that our apartment was too far off even to contemplate it. Our baby was too young and I would worry about them waking up.

My phone rang as our food arrived; our baby had woken up. I walked the round trip to collect him from the kiddie club, then back to the restaurant. He kept crying and eventually we left our meal unfinished and walked back again to the club to fetch our sleeping daughter. Jes carried her home in a blanket. The next night we stayed in. It was Thursday, May 3.
 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #356 on: November 25, 2016, 06:01:02 AM »
I wonder if Irwin was a spelling mistake? 
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Ocean-Club-Guests/Re-Random-Info-1-807105.html Summary:
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Matt O May 10th
By the way, he denied that at any time did any individuals named IRWIN form part of the table, refuting equally that he had made the acquaintance of anyone so named.

Gerry M May 10th
States that on Thursday, 03/05/07, there was no one by the name of IRWIN sitting at the table nor does he know anyone with that name.
Asked, he mentions that on Thursday, 3 May 2007, there was nobody from outside of the group seated at the table, nor does he know any person with the name IRWIN.

Jane Tanner
On these holidays, she never met nor dined (along with the rest of the group) with any family or person having the surname "Irwin".

Rachel MO
----- Questioned, she said that on Thursday, 03/05/2007, there was no body sitting at the table, strange to the group, and she does not know anyone with the name "IRWIN."

Were they on the arrivals sheet?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #357 on: November 25, 2016, 06:28:37 AM »
mesma mesa   means "same table" 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #358 on: November 25, 2016, 07:12:42 AM »
So many of the customers in the Tapas Restaurant that night were not asked to give a statement.  Why I'm not sure but it sure makes identifying the table with the 3 couples rather impossible.
I don't know where this information comes from but on the site it says:  http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Does_Crecheman_Exist_.html "Irwin were two women, no children and Sperrys were an adult couple with no children either."

https://www.flashback.org/p47668788
Another link to the Irwins "about the sisters Irwin, Irwin and Ms.Naomi Ms.Brigid Elizabeth Irwin.
These two ladies were booked on Restaurant Tapas kl.20: 30 May the 3rd, the same time T9 gang then. "
One of them is listed on the OC arrivals list http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_611.jpg
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did OC reception let Madeleine down?
« Reply #359 on: November 25, 2016, 11:40:15 AM »
On the 5th May 2007 many of the MW guests left and went home.  Kate felt that a lot of useful information left when they left.  So that is not the OC reception's fault but more of one related to the slowness of the PJ operation.  I would suspect all their names and addresses are still available, well at least there are extensive list of names of guests who will still be able to be interviewed.  10 years late , but better late than never.
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