Did OC reception let Madeleine down?

[Robittybob1]

Just because someone says they did something it doesn't mean they did. The receptionist said he phoned the GNR between 2130 and 2200, but he didn't. Gerry McCann said he checked the children by using the front door, but then decided he didn't.

That was my yesterday point.  You say Helder didn't make this earlier call, but I'm saying maybe he did so he felt it unnecessary to make another so soon after for the GNR had not responded to the first call yet.  That is why I'm curious to know how John researched the Odiaxere burglary for the patrol had go to that incident first and then they were coming to PDL so when did the GNR get first alerted to Odiaxere and how long did they spend there?  That would give the first limit on when such a sequence could develop and time limits.

[G-Unit]

That was my yesterday point.  You say Helder didn't make this earlier call, but I'm saying maybe he did so he felt it unnecessary to make another so soon after for the GNR had not responded to the first call yet.  That is why I'm curious to know how John researched the Odiaxere burglary for the patrol had go to that incident first and then they were coming to PDL so when did the GNR get first alerted to Odiaxere and how long did they spend there?  That would give the first limit on when such a sequence could develop and time limits.

The first call to the GNR was 2241.

[Robittybob1]

As I understand it  (and I'm not always right) is that when OC rang the GNR they were told they would come there after dealing with the incident in Odiaxere.  So that means the phone call from OC must have happened after the Odiaxere incident callout and it must have been still in progress.

Edit: It sounds like OC were not informed of the reason for the delay.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm

[mercury]

As I understand it  (and I'm not always right) is that when OC rang the GNR they were told they would come there after dealing with the incident in Odiaxere.  So that means the phone call from OC must have happened after the Odiaxere incident callout and it must have been still in progress.

Which was not before 22.41 and no earlier call involved

[jassi]

As I understand it  (and I'm not always right) is that when OC rang the GNR they were told they would come there after dealing with the incident in Odiaxere.  So that means the phone call from OC must have happened after the Odiaxere incident callout and it must have been still in progress.

Do we have a time for this Odiaxere call-out?

[Robittybob1]

Which was not before 22.41 and no earlier call involved

That is not how the story goes from Helder.  So are you saying he exaggerated what he said?

he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

The phone call you mention was the "he phoned the GNR again" portion of his statement.  To phone again means he had phoned earlier too.

[Robittybob1]

Do we have a time for this Odiaxere call-out?

As far as I know it is not in the file.
I'm asking SIL to enquire or for John to reveal all he knows from his research on the incident.

From the time of the arrival of the GNR at OC, the incident at Odiaxere had finished at 10:42 PM as the GNR arrive shortly after that call.

[mercury]

That is not how the story goes from Helder.  So are you saying he exaggerated what he said?The phone call you mention was the "he phoned the GNR again" portion of his statement.  To phone again means he had phoned earlier too.

He phoned the gnr again after the 22.41 first call

[Robittybob1]

He phoned the gnr again after the 22.41 first call

So Matt goes to the reception at 10:10 asking them to call the police but they don't make the call till 22:41.  So why did they delay the call so much?
In Helder's statement he calls his response immediate.

[G-Unit]

He phoned the gnr again after the 22.41 first call

The calls were ar 2241 and 2252

[Robittybob1]

The calls were ar 2241 and 2252

It would be more convincing if it was a statement from the GNR themselves for there are other ways of ringing rather the the OC landline.

[G-Unit]

The GNR patrol was contacted by radio;

Clarifies that the occurrence in question was transmitted to the above referenced patrol via radio, at time when they were located in Odiaxere;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm

[mercury]

So Matt goes to the reception at 10:10 asking them to call the police but they don't make the call till 22:41.  So why did they delay the call so much?

I have no idea
Maybe they had protocols and procedures to follow first about wondering children
What Matt failed to do was stay there and get confirmation if his version of events is true

[Robittybob1]

I have no idea
Maybe they had protocols and procedures to follow first about wondering children
What Matt failed to do was stay there and get confirmation if his version of events is true

OK I think we are saying the same thing.  The first call to the police for MM in particular was at 10:42 PM. No one can be sure, but I suspect there was an earlier call but from a different phone or number for it is not on the OC phone log as the same number used at 10:42.

[Robittybob1]

The GNR patrol was contacted by radio;

Clarifies that the occurrence in question was transmitted to the above referenced patrol via radio, at time when they were located in Odiaxere;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm

no times are referenced.