Did OC reception let Madeleine down?

[sadie]

When looking at this I start from the premise that like everyone else I am not in posession of the full facts. I  have no preconceived idea of who did what with which and to whom and who said what. I also work on the premise that most "facts" have been distorted by both "sides" to the point where if anyone on here told me the sun rose in the east I would not believe it until I had checked it myself with UKAS certified compass.
So strip away all the blx and look the bare problem: why run the risk of bootlegging a front door key or breaking in when you can march right in through an open door? And remember your schooldays, if you look as though you should be doing it you will attract little attention.

So YOU dont value Amarals appraisal that no intruder would go in by the patio door cos it was illuminated and so well overlooked by the Tapas group?

And you dont take into account reports that intruders got into other locked apartments in the immediate weeks before Madeleine was taken ... and without causing any damage?   Now how do you think the intruders managed that?

[Robittybob1]

So YOU dont value Amarals appraisal that no intruder would go in by the patio door cos it was illuminated and so well overlooked by the Tapas group?

And you dont take into account reports that intruders got into other locked apartments in the immediate weeks before Madeleine was taken ... and without causing any damage?   Now how do you think the intruders managed that?

If he said it Sadie OK but he still can't be certain can he.  It sounds more like an opinion and not actually a known fact.

[sadie]

If he said it Sadie OK but he still can't be certain can he.  It sounds more like an opinion and not actually a known fact.

Amaral actually said words to that effect when he was putting forward one of his hypothesise.  He was trying to prove that no-one could get into 5A via the patio door, the front door or Madeleines window.  He was trying to prove that therefore, Madeleine died /was killed in 5A.

He failed miserably because as we now know via Heribertos video, the shutters could be opened from outside, the front door could be opened by a key and the keys went missing days before Madeleine was taken.   Also in the weeks immediately preceding, other flats were entered with no perceivable damage ... therefore keys must have been used.

[ShiningInLuz]

When looking at this I start from the premise that like everyone else I am not in posession of the full facts. I  have no preconceived idea of who did what with which and to whom and who said what. I also work on the premise that most "facts" have been distorted by both "sides" to the point where if anyone on here told me the sun rose in the east I would not believe it until I had checked it myself with UKAS certified compass.
So strip away all the blx and look the bare problem: why run the risk of bootlegging a front door key or breaking in when you can march right in through an open door? And remember your schooldays, if you look as though you should be doing it you will attract little attention.

It's an interesting test, so how about turning it around?

How does one come to be aware of the open door?  And the children therein?

[jassi]

Remember that according to some, the place was being thoroughly cased, so said observers would know everything that was going on in and around 5A

[sadie]

It's an interesting test, so how about turning it around?

How does one come to be aware of the open door?  And the children therein?

It was being watched, wasn't it?

[misty]

When looking at this I start from the premise that like everyone else I am not in posession of the full facts. I  have no preconceived idea of who did what with which and to whom and who said what. I also work on the premise that most "facts" have been distorted by both "sides" to the point where if anyone on here told me the sun rose in the east I would not believe it until I had checked it myself with UKAS certified compass.
So strip away all the blx and look the bare problem: why run the risk of bootlegging a front door key or breaking in when you can march right in through an open door? And remember your schooldays, if you look as though you should be doing it you will attract little attention.

Only problem with that, Alice, is you also have to leave by the same door if the front door is double-locked, or resort to clambering out through a window with your "swag".

[Robittybob1]

It was being watched, wasn't it?

Those people didn't appear to be care that they were seen.  There were lots of apartments so we can't be sure they were watching anyone in particular.

[jassi]

I believe there is no certainty that the door was double locked.

[Robittybob1]

I believe there is no certainty that the door was double locked.

But an intruder couldn't.

[Robittybob1]

Apart from people /person movement on the illuminated patio, as the curtains were moved to allow access, a shaft of light from the table lamp would suddenly light up the outside area.  It wouldn't be intense light but it would be noticeable.  Also the person entering would be outlined against the light and could potentially have been seen bu people in the villas opposite or walking along the street

Dont think the patio door was used Rob

I think that Amaral was right.  No-one would go in that way.

Well why not  go the whole way with Amaral and accept the crime scene was staged.  If there were people casing the apartment they could have taken Madeleine from the staged scene rather than from the bedroom therefore no "intruder" needed to go inside at all.

[Alice Purjorick]

It's an interesting test, so how about turning it around?

How does one come to be aware of the open door?  And the children therein?

According to the scuttlebutt there were "many" people casing the joint for "several" days.
That was the point of my original post where I said "I wouldn't want him on my team".

[Robittybob1]

According to the scuttlebutt there were "many" people casing the joint for "several" days.
That was the point of my original post where I said "I wouldn't want him on my team".

I think you would work well together.

[stephen25000]

But an intruder couldn't.

  What intruder would that be ?

[Robittybob1]

  What intruder would that be ?

I never said there was an intruder did I. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7777.msg365885#msg365885