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Offline misty

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2016, 12:54:30 AM »
I want to see who can make the links to the elements I provided in my opening post.  I know Sadie has previously made soundings in this area but she may not have joined up all the dots.  One thing which stands out was the death of Amaral's dog and the link which he and Sofia made to the McCann case.  On the other thread it was suggested that he blamed the McCann's for the dogs death but his words have been misinterpreted. It wasn't the McCann's to blame per se but the case itself ie Madeleine's disappearance.

The destructive element sounds more like the actions of local drug dealers worried about the continual presence of the police in their usually quiet patch. The Russian Mafia would probably have used a more dramatic deterrent.

Offline mercury

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2016, 12:57:57 AM »
I want to see who can make the links to the elements I provided in my opening post.  I know Sadie has previously made soundings in this area but she may not have joined up all the dots.  One thing which stands out was the death of Amaral's dog and the link which he and Sofia made to the McCann case.  On the other thread it was suggested that he blamed the McCann's for the dogs death but his words have been misinterpreted. It wasn't the McCann's to blame per se but the case itself ie Madeleine's disappearance.


The truth of the lie - Goncalo Amaral - Chapter 7

On May 10th, the crisis unit's meeting goes on until 2'oclock in the morning.

I receive a phone call from Sofia, who insists on my going home: our Shitzu dog is dead. She found it that morning, lifeless on the ground, with a head injury. She did everything to make sure the girls did not see it, but she didn't have the courage to remove him. When I arrive, everyone is already in bed. I place the Shitzu in a plastic bag, not sure about where I am going to be able to bury him. The ground is hard here. it's not easy to dig a hole and I hardly have the time for it. I decide to drop his remains into a bin. The animal is small, but he seems to weigh more than usual. I use my car to take her. As I am getting rid of it, I realise just how easy it is to hide a body - and how difficult it is to bury....When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people's. For her, the dog's death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It's my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done.


Sometimes there are coincidences and sometimes things can be connected
If youre in a powerful  position imo if there is foul play or suspicion of its never coincidence

Bet it was metodo3
or the mafia
Or both of them lol
Who knows

Offline John

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2016, 01:06:05 AM »
The destructive element sounds more like the actions of local drug dealers worried about the continual presence of the police in their usually quiet patch. The Russian Mafia would probably have used a more dramatic deterrent.

You do realise that it is the Russian Mafia who control the illegal drug distribution on the Algarve?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline mercury

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2016, 01:07:15 AM »
Good one.  it actually was a serious question!

I cant see amarals dogs name being of any importsnce, ie why would if

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2016, 01:14:33 AM »
I cant see amarals dogs name being of any importsnce, ie why would if
I've got a file with his book so it would enable me to search for the bit about him losing his dog if I knew the dog's name.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2016, 01:16:27 AM »
The destructive element sounds more like the actions of local drug dealers worried about the continual presence of the police in their usually quiet patch. The Russian Mafia would probably have used a more dramatic deterrent.

The Portuguese police said Jacinta Rees committed suicide ... despite the Portuguese coroner suggesting injuries which made suicide impossible.


In Australia it was found ...

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But Jacinta's skull had been caved in with an axe.

She clearly had defensive wounds also.

"Her elbow had been shattered, her knee was damaged and there were four separate wounds to her head - each of which could have killed her.

"She suffered a horrendous death and she most certainly fought for her life.



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Mystery surrounds the case. Locals were reticent to speak about it.

Did she know too much?

One theory about Jacinta's death was that she found out something that cost her life.

The area where she lived is a trafficking route from North Africa and the Middle East for the illegal trade in drugs - mostly hashish - and also in stolen children.

The village of Sao Bras de Alportel is 30km from the resort of Praia de Luz where British child Maddy McCann disappeared.

Her family said child smuggling was an issue Jacinta was concerned about and might have spoken up about.

"Jacinta may have stumbled across something," brother Cameron said.
http://www.news.com.au/national/jacinta-rees-murdered-covered-up-by-portugal-police/story-e6frfkp9-1225942731759
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2016, 01:16:52 AM »
I've got a file with his book so it would enable me to search for the bit about him losing his dog if I knew the dog's name.

You only have to search for DOG

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2016, 01:19:55 AM »
You only have to search for DOG
I just thought the word "dog" would come up too often.
62 Matches "On May 10th, the crisis unit's meeting goes on until 2'oclock in the morning.

I receive a phone call from Sofia, who insists on my going home: our Shitzu dog is dead. She found it that morning, lifeless on the ground, with a head injury. She did everything to make sure the girls did not see it, but she didn't have the courage to remove him. When I arrive, everyone is already in bed. I place the Shitzu in a plastic bag, not sure about where I am going to be able to bury him. The ground is hard here. it's not easy to dig a hole and I hardly have the time for it. I decide to drop his remains into a bin. The animal is small, but he seems to weigh more than usual. I use my car to take her. As I am getting rid of it, I realise just how easy it is to hide a body - and how difficult it is to bury....When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people's. For her, the dog's death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It's my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done."

What is he saying he hides his daughter's or wife's dog's body?   Yes he puts it into a bin.

« Last Edit: November 16, 2016, 01:36:27 AM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline mercury

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2016, 01:33:13 AM »
The Portuguese police said Jacinta Rees committed suicide ... despite the Portuguese coroner suggesting injuries which made suicide impossible.


In Australia it was found ...

Quote
But Jacinta's skull had been caved in with an axe.

She clearly had defensive wounds also.

"Her elbow had been shattered, her knee was damaged and there were four separate wounds to her head - each of which could have killed her.

"She suffered a horrendous death and she most certainly fought for her life.



Quote
Mystery surrounds the case. Locals were reticent to speak about it.

Did she know too much?

One theory about Jacinta's death was that she found out something that cost her life.

The area where she lived is a trafficking route from North Africa and the Middle East for the illegal trade in drugs - mostly hashish - and also in stolen children.

The village of Sao Bras de Alportel is 30km from the resort of Praia de Luz where British child Maddy McCann disappeared.

Her family said child smuggling was an issue Jacinta was concerned about and might have spoken up about.

"Jacinta may have stumbled across something," brother Cameron said.
http://www.news.com.au/national/jacinta-rees-murdered-covered-up-by-portugal-police/story-e6frfkp9-1225942731759

And that explains the abduction and or murder of a british  Three yr old kid? How? Isnt it about time brietta you spoke more substance than just copying and pastying artickles?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2016, 01:45:22 AM »
The Portuguese police said Jacinta Rees committed suicide ... despite the Portuguese coroner suggesting injuries which made suicide impossible.


In Australia it was found ...

Quote
But Jacinta's skull had been caved in with an axe.

She clearly had defensive wounds also.

"Her elbow had been shattered, her knee was damaged and there were four separate wounds to her head - each of which could have killed her.

"She suffered a horrendous death and she most certainly fought for her life.



Quote
Mystery surrounds the case. Locals were reticent to speak about it.

Did she know too much?

One theory about Jacinta's death was that she found out something that cost her life.

The area where she lived is a trafficking route from North Africa and the Middle East for the illegal trade in drugs - mostly hashish - and also in stolen children.

The village of Sao Bras de Alportel is 30km from the resort of Praia de Luz where British child Maddy McCann disappeared.

Her family said child smuggling was an issue Jacinta was concerned about and might have spoken up about.

"Jacinta may have stumbled across something," brother Cameron said.
http://www.news.com.au/national/jacinta-rees-murdered-covered-up-by-portugal-police/story-e6frfkp9-1225942731759
That is a bizarre story.  I'm starting to wonder if the Portuguese take foreigners seriously.
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Offline misty

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2016, 01:53:02 AM »
You do realise that it is the Russian Mafia who control the illegal drug distribution on the Algarve?

No, I didn't know that, John. That would, however, tie in very nicely with a little place in the Azores.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2016, 06:06:35 AM »
I find the suggestion taht the russian mafia are involved ridiculous....they are invoved in organised crime not abduction of children. Absolutely nothing to support this preposterous idea
« Last Edit: November 16, 2016, 07:47:59 AM by davel »

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2016, 06:30:22 AM »
I find the suggestion taht the russian mafia are involved ridiculous....they are invoved in organided crime not abduction of children. Absolutely nothing to support this preposterous idea
I wonder if John can provide some proof?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2016, 09:01:09 AM »
It seems the Algarve has attracted criminal elements of all types. I have found a very interesting story about a timeshare complex called Vale Navio in the 1990's. It was just along the coast at Albufeira. It's worth a read as a child disappeared there also, although there was a ransom demand made. The demand was made to the owners of the complex, not to the child's parents and they agreed to pay too;

''for the sake of the child’s mother and also to protect Vale Navio’s business from the calamity.

At various points in its history, powerful Portuguese gangsters have moved in behind the respectable businessmen who were running the place and simply gutted it of cash......British gangsters smelled the money, too. A group of them arrived from Spain in the late 1980s and, until recently, they were taking £1,000 a week off the managers on the promise of not breaking the legs of their timeshare salesmen.

A cash business like tourism is ideal for money-laundering, and the Algarve is awash with black money.''
http://www.nickdavies.net/1993/08/01/kidnap-murder-and-justice-in-the-algarve/

I wonder if protection racketeers were still targeting holiday providers in the 2,000's?

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Coincidences and links? Is the truth staring us all in the face?
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2016, 01:04:31 PM »
It never ceases to amaze that when crimes are eventually solved, so many things usually fall into place just like finishing a jigsaw puzzle.

A comment made on another thread got me wondering about events and if they are connected.  The alleged break in at premises in Odiáxere, the open window and shutter at 5a, a missing child, nothing else stolen, Amaral's dead dog and the perceived threat against him, the destroyed information posters, the burning of a Russian's car in Luz and a community in fear of speaking out.

Can anyone else see the links?



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I suppose I need to add this location to the list of Luz tour stops.

And I need to check the timeline v the PIs employed.
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