Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?

[Lace]

i.e. They don't have evidence of abduction, never did.

Remember what Mitchell said ?

They had a name for Smith man -

Last night Scotland Yard detectives were trying to track him down while also preparing to make appeals in Holland, Germany and Ireland. Their number one suspect was named amid a "truly unprecedented response" to Monday night's Crimewatch on BBC1 which attracted 7.3 million viewers.

I wonder how many thousands phoned in about Smith man?    Who said the public weren't on the McCann's side?

[jassi]

They had a name for Smith man -

Last night Scotland Yard detectives were trying to track him down while also preparing to make appeals in Holland, Germany and Ireland. Their number one suspect was named amid a "truly unprecedented response" to Monday night's Crimewatch on BBC1 which attracted 7.3 million viewers.

I wonder how many thousands phoned in about Smith man?    Who said the public weren't on the McCann's side?

I seem to remember that a lot rang in to say Smithman e-fit looked just like McCann.

[Lace]

I seem to remember that a lot rang in to say Smithman e-fit looked just like McCann.

Yes, I read on line some giggling about ringing in to say Gerry looked like Smith man,  why they thought it funny to clog up phones with their nonsense I don't know.

They need their eyes tested anyway,  the hairline is wrong, the nose is wrong,  the lips are wrong.

[John]

Really, what evidence?  SY no more know what happened to Madeleine than you or I do, that is why they are winding down the investigation.

"No element of proof whatsoever was found which allows us to form any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances (of Madeleine's disappearance).

Portuguese Prosecutors.

What has that to do with your claim that the evidence points to abduction? 

There is a thread on this very topic and if I recall correctly nobody produced anything to support abduction aside from the claim that the bedroom shutter was up and the window was open.  The reality is that abduction has never been established despite two investigations running over nine years.  Now that is in itself noteworthy.

[ferryman]

Portuguese Prosecutors.



What has that to do with your claim that the evidence points to abduction? 

There is a thread on this very topic and if I recall correctly nobody produced anything to support abduction aside from the claim that the bedroom shutter was up and the window was open.  The reality is that abduction has never been established despite two investigations running over nine years.  Now that is in itself noteworthy.

Claims?

I haven't made any claims.

I have just have stated irrefutable facts.

[Mr Gray]

whether there is acceptance or not...it is patently obvious the McCanns never did it

[John]

Claims?

I haven't made any claims.

I have just have stated irrefutable facts.

Such as?

Please be kind enough to post these 'irrefutable facts' which prove abduction so we can amend the relevant thread.

[John]

whether there is acceptance or not...it is patently obvious the McCanns never did it

Yes I agree, they never did it.

[ferryman]

Such as?

The prosecutors are satisfied that Madeleine and Kate and Gerry McCann are victims of a crime (or possibly more than one crime!) by perpetrator(s) unknown, at least so far as we, the general public, are concerned, although, of course, Operation Grange may well have information not released into the public domain (I fervently hope they do). 

That's it, really.

[Alfie]

It's obvious that not every one grudgingly accepts that the McCanns didn't do it, indeed there are still some people (some on this forum even) tenaciously holding on to the notion that it's only a matter of time (tick tock) before the Met carry out dawn raids on Rothley.  I wonder what if anything (even including the apprehension and complete confession of an abductor) would convince the die-hard doubters that the McCanns didn't do it?  What evidence would need to be revealed that would convince these people?  Will it be enough when the Met reiterate that they have been investigating stranger abduction, or not? 

[John]

The prosecutors are satisfied that Madeleine and Kate and Gerry McCann are victims of a crime (or possibly more than one crime!) by perpetrator(s) unknown, at least so far as we, the general public, are concerned, although, of course, Operation Grange may well have information not released into the public domain (I fervently hope they do). 

That's it, really.

Is that it?   Do I have to remind that the Attorney General stated in his Archiving Report that the parents lost the opportunity to demonstrate their innocence because of the refusal by tapas group members to participate in a reconstruction.

[ferryman]

Yes I agree, they never did it.

There it is.

And to add:

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

The Portuguese Prosecutors.

You know, perhaps we could start a separate thread inviting discussion on which part of what I quote above might tend to indicate that theMcCannsdunit?

[John]

It's obvious that not every one grudgingly accepts that the McCanns didn't do it, indeed there are still some people (some on this forum even) tenaciously holding on to the notion that it's only a matter of time (tick tock) before the Met carry out dawn raids on Rothley.  I wonder what if anything (even including the apprehension and complete confession of an abductor) would convince the die-hard doubters that the McCanns didn't do it?  What evidence would need to be revealed that would convince these people?  Will it be enough when the Met reiterate that they have been investigating stranger abduction, or not?

They were investigating all possibilities last time I looked and came up empty on all counts.

[John]

There it is.

There is what?

[ferryman]

Is that it?   Do I have to remind that the Attorney General stated in his Archiving Report that the parents lost the opportunity to demonstrate their innocence because of the refusal by tapas group members to participate in a reconstruction.

Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to prove their innocence.