Author Topic: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?  (Read 29750 times)

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Alfie

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2016, 06:28:07 PM »
They were investigating all possibilities last time I looked and came up empty on all counts.
Last time you looked they were investigating the parents?  Please provide a cite for this thanks.

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2016, 06:38:39 PM »
Last time you looked they were investigating the parents?  Please provide a cite for this thanks.

You might not know this but it is the job of a police officer to look beyond the obvious.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2016, 06:41:27 PM »
Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to demonstrate their innocence.

The investigation is governed by the laws of Portugal. The AG was very clear, the crime if any was undetermined.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 06:58:59 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2016, 06:45:54 PM »
The investigation is governed by the laws of Portugal. The AG was very clear, the crime if any was undetermined.

The prosecutors were very clear that the McCanns committed no crime, including that their child-care arrangements passed muster legally. 

Alfie

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2016, 06:51:12 PM »
You might not know this but it is the job of a police officer to look beyond the obvious.
I'm sorry that won't do.  Last time you looked you say the police were investigating ALL possibilities.  Where did you look, and kindly show us what you saw!

ETA: What is the obvious in this case, btw?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2016, 06:56:43 PM »
Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to demonstrate their innocence.

Are you unaware of the concept of an alibi? Providing a solid alibi is one commonly used method of proving/demonstrating innocence.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2016, 06:57:10 PM »
The prosecutors were very clear that the McCanns committed no crime, including that their child-care arrangements passed muster legally.

I think you have conveniently misinterpreted what they stated.  What they actually recorded was that there was no evidence that the parents or anyone else for that matter engaged in any crime.  A somewhat subtle difference.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Alfie

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2016, 06:59:26 PM »
Are you unaware of the concept of an alibi? Providing a solid alibi is one commonly used method of proving/demonstrating innocence.
Yes, one reason why the police were able to categorically dismiss Gerry as Smithman.

ferryman

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2016, 07:00:11 PM »
The investigation is governed by the laws of Portugal. The AG was very clear, the crime if any was undetermined.

The original:

Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to prove their innocence.

I note that my (original) post was edited by John, from prove to demonstrate.

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2016, 07:02:38 PM »
I'm sorry that won't do.  Last time you looked you say the police were investigating ALL possibilities.  Where did you look, and kindly show us what you saw!

ETA: What is the obvious in this case, btw?

I saw the same as you, two investigations and nothing found.  Police don't simply investigate a case based on what might appear to be obvious, they start at the beginning and pursue all possible scenarios.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2016, 07:05:02 PM »
I think you have conveniently misinterpreted what they stated.  What they actually recorded was that there was no evidence that the parents or anyone else for that matter engaged in any crime.  A somewhat subtle difference.

I suppose, in a just about, still, free country, you are entitled to your erroneous thoughts.

If there is no evidence of a crime, there is legally no crime.

Entertaining the hypothetical notion of something could come to light to alter that is one thing.

Tending to a view that something will come to light to alter that is another.

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2016, 07:05:08 PM »
The original:

Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to prove their innocence.

I note that my (original) post was edited by John, from prove to demonstrate.

You are mistaken, your post was not edited.   The actual word used by the AG was confirmar which translates literally as demonstrate.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2016, 07:05:38 PM »
I saw the same as you, two investigations and nothing found.  Police don't simply investigate a case based on what might appear to be obvious, they start at the beginning and pursue all possible scenarios.

They certainly do when conducting an honest investigation.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2016, 07:06:47 PM »
The original:

Demonstrate distinct from prove!

In all except Fascist states there is no need for those accused (of anything) to prove their innocence.

I note that my (original) post was edited by John, from prove to demonstrate.
To be honest, I am getting offended by repeated trotting out of the idea that Portugal is a Fascist state.

Prove it.  Demonstrate it.  Whatever.

You are entitled to your opinion, as long as you make clear it is simply that - your opinion.  Otherwise provide some support for your claim.
What's up, old man?

Offline John

Re: Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?
« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2016, 07:07:45 PM »
I suppose, in a just about, still, free country, you are entitled to your erroneous thoughts.

If there is no evidence of a crime, there is legally no crime.

Entertaining the hypothetical notion of something could come to light to alter that is one thing.

Tending to a view that something will come to light to alter that is another.

But I agree, as has been point out ad nauseum, nobody except possibly those involved (if there was anyone) know what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.  The best we can do is theorise based on known established facts.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 07:15:44 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.