Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?

[faithlilly]

That is patently false.

Cite please?

[Alfie]

Cite please?

A cite for what?

[Brietta]

Cite please?

Redwood and his 37-strong team have identified 195 missed investigative opportunities in the 40,000 pieces of evidence they have examined from the Portuguese inquiry, the family's home force in Leicestershire, and the information gleaned by a team of private detectives hired by the McCann family since Madeleine went missing, aged three, from the resort of Praia de Luz on 3 May 2007.

"We are in a unique position seeking to draw together the three key strands of information about her disappearance," said Redwood.

He unequivocally dismissed the conspiracy theory – promoted by the original Portuguese lead detective Goncalo Amaral – that Madeleine's parents had anything to do with her disappearance.

He said detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger".
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case

[Alfie]

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

[Alfie]

Let us also not forget that the word abduction appears in Operation Grange's remit.  Not disappearance.  Not accidental death.  Not runaway.  ABDUCTION.  Now let's have some evidence that the Met are currently investigating parental involvement.  Anything will do.

[faithlilly]

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

Here is the whole quote :


"We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to be removed from that apartment alive and it is our belief as experienced investigators on the evidence that um that, you know, that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger".

And G-Unit's explanation given some time ago :

'Perhaps Redwood's English isn't perfect. Let me explain again what he actually said.

1. They have forensically examined the timeline.
2. They identified an opportunity for the child to be taken alive from the apartment.
3. If someone took that opportunity that would be a criminal act by a stranger.

Nowhere does he say that he believes anyone took that opportunity, but if they did, he believes that would be a criminal act by a stranger.'


I believe Redwood was very clever when answering a very tricky question.

[Alfie]

Here is the whole quote :


"We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to be removed from that apartment alive and it is our belief as experienced investigators on the evidence that um that, you know, that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger".

And G-Unit's explanation given some time ago :

'Perhaps Redwood's English isn't perfect. Let me explain again what he actually said.

1. They have forensically examined the timeline.
2. They identified an opportunity for the child to be taken alive from the apartment.
3. If someone took that opportunity that would be a criminal act by a stranger.

Nowhere does he say that he believes anyone took that opportunity, but if they did, he believes that would be a criminal act by a stranger.'


I believe Redwood was very clever when answering a very tricky question.

Believe what you want.  It's taken literally years for some sceptic to come up with that nonsense theory.  At the time everyone who saw it and heard it from the horses mouth was very clear what he meant, on both sides of the debate.  ALL the media worldwide reported it as such.  And when you look at the spin G-Unit has put on Redwood's words it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Every scrap of evidence, every action they have taken since those words were spoken points to the fact that the Met are investigating an abduction and not parental involvement.

[Alice Purjorick]

Redwood and his 37-strong team have identified 195 missed investigative opportunities in the 40,000 pieces of evidence they have examined from the Portuguese inquiry, the family's home force in Leicestershire, and the information gleaned by a team of private detectives hired by the McCann family since Madeleine went missing, aged three, from the resort of Praia de Luz on 3 May 2007.

"We are in a unique position seeking to draw together the three key strands of information about her disappearance," said Redwood.

He unequivocally dismissed the conspiracy theory – promoted by the original Portuguese lead detective Goncalo Amaral – that Madeleine's parents had anything to do with her disappearance.

He said detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger".
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case

That was disbanded and is now The Nicola Wall Quartet.
No result in the offing but I guess as is the currency on both sides when it suits:  "tic toc tic toc"

[Alfie]

The remit written before even a witness statement was read. You're not suggesting a cover-up are you Alfie ?

No, you are though.

[faithlilly]

Believe what you want.  It's taken literally years for some sceptic to come up with that nonsense theory.  At the time everyone who saw it and heard it from the horses mouth was very clear what he meant, on both sides of the debate.  ALL the media worldwide reported it as such.  And when you look at the spin G-Unit has put on Redwood's words it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Every scrap of evidence, every action they have taken since those words were spoken points to the fact that the Met are investigating an abduction and not parental involvement.

I transcribed the quote and it is verbatim. The media paraphrased Redwood ( if you can find the whole quote in any of the print media I'll be happy to withdraw my claim) losing the context of the sentence completely.

[Alfie]

I transcribed the quote and it is verbatim. The media paraphrased Redwood ( if you can find the whole quote in any of the print media I'll be happy to withdraw my claim) losing the context of the sentence completely.

I've watched the video, I remember the indignation and the fury amongst the sceptics at the time.  Twisting the meaning years after the event might help you deal with it but I'm afraid you're just deluding yourselves.

[faithlilly]

No, you are though.

So if not a cover-up how could OG know it was an abduction before reading one single witness statement?

[faithlilly]

I've watched the video, I remember the indignation and the fury amongst the sceptics at the time.  Twisting the meaning years after the event might help you deal with it but I'm afraid you're just deluding yourselves.

I guess you couldn't find a verbatim quote from the print media then?

[Alfie]

So if not a cover-up how could OG know it was an abduction before reading one single witness statement?

Who told you that Operation Grange came to the case completely oblivious to any of the facts?

[Alfie]

I guess you couldn't find a verbatim quote from the print media then?

Why would I need to do that?  His words are there for all to see in the video clip.  I don't dispute what he said.  It's as clear as day.  His words had "sceptics" frothing with indignation at the time, surely you remember?  His TV pronouncement formed the basis of worldwide headlines that the Met were treating the case as one of stranger abduction - now surely you're not claiming that everyone who watched him being interviewed, including all you sceptics at the time plus the worldwide press, got it completely wrong?