They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[ShiningInLuz]

What's normal speed to you may be a snail's pace to them,, you just don't know.  It could have taken them 55 seconds or it could have taken 30 seconds or 40 seconds. However many seconds it was, it wasn't many and they could get to their kids in less than a minute.  In most people's book the apartment was not far away.

I can either go at the McCann's stated pace, which I have not ever seen stated, or I can go with normal.

[jassi]

Minimum time doesn't really matter. It actually took Kate 30 minutes to get there since Mat's check.

[Alfie]

I can either go at the McCann's stated pace, which I have not ever seen stated, or I can go with normal.

Do what you like, makes no odds to the point I just made.

[Alice Purjorick]

A short time ago I came across a very short video clip which showed a holidaymaker in flip flops running the distance between the tapas entrance and the side gate of apartment five.

It took seconds.

With no disrespect to the lady making the demonstration ... she was hardly in the same league as young, fit athletic parents covering the same distance in the type of emergency they had assessed.

Unfortunately I did not bookmark the video, as I find that often a picture is worth a thousand words.

We are talking a distance of fifty metres here.  Not the far side of the moon or halfway on the road to Lagos.  How long does it take an Olympic athlete to run one hundred metres? ... I believe it is under 10 seconds.  Therefore fifty metres could be achieved in approximately 5 seconds.
The McCanns were not Olympians ... but they were runners ... so I think it would be safe to assume they would have been capable of covering the distance in about 7 or 8 seconds.

That, in my opinion is one of the reasons they felt the children were secure.

That there was a man at large in the environs of Luz who was capable of entering homes and assaulting children while the parents were on the premises is now irrefutable, although it was and probably still is being denied in some quarters ...
In my opinion the waffle looking away from that fact and concentrating on gardens, booze, swinging and whatever else enters peoples' minds is a deflection from what happened to Madeleine and the total botch of the initial investigation into it.

I see that on consideration I am going to have to amend my time estimate from 35 seconds to 10 seconds as the crow flies ... 20 to include obstacles.

It would have been more like a steeplechase than a sprint. The distance to the apartment was more like 80m unless one could levitate. The McCanns were joggers in their mid 30s.
Define "environs" then tell us how far away this "man at large" was ?

[misty]

Here's a useful video where someone paces out the distance from the Tapas entrance door to the side gate of 5a.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR76h4oy7Q

[Alfie]

Here's a useful video where someone paces out the distance from the Tapas entrance door to the side gate of 5a.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR76h4oy7Q

Ah, who can forget Ellibean, a leading "sceptic" in her day, who stalked Kate McCann into her local supermarketand felt moved  to give her a hug, and then decided she wasn't so bad after all...

[Alice Purjorick]

Here's a useful video where someone paces out the distance from the Tapas entrance door to the side gate of 5a.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR76h4oy7Q

It might have been more useful had she done the full trip using a laser measure or even a tape..
Still we can fall back on Google Maps or Satellite....

[misty]

Ah, who can forget Ellibean, a leading "sceptic" in her day, who stalked Kate McCann into her local supermarketand felt moved  to give her a hug, and then decided she wasn't so bad after all...

I didn't know her history, just thought the video was useful to help with timing.

[sadie]

Here's a useful video where someone paces out the distance from the Tapas entrance door to the side gate of 5a.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR76h4oy7Q

Trouble is that her paces are only a little over 2 feet long.  Measured on Google Earth what she paces, Tapas reception to side gate, is 25 metres max.

She also is confused about which is the front of block 5 and which is the back.  She got it wrong.


Restaurant seat to Patio doors, in a rush, so cutting corners is 75 -78 metres.  Measured on GE.

[Alfie]

I didn't know her history, just thought the video was useful to help with timing.

Yes, I think Ellibean went on her own personal ghouls tour and was somewhat shocked herself to realise how close the apartment is to the Tapas restaurant.  She then went all wobbly on the 3 Arguidos and got hounded out of town for showing glimmers of compassion and understanding. 

[G-Unit]

The problem is that "people in glass houses ..." ... "sauce for the goose ..." etc; etc; 

Xtina did ask the pertinent question about wine consumption ... which I think I have answered fairly.  As well as in the context of the thread.
The McCanns were dining thirty seconds distance from their children and constantly checking.  Where was the Amaral child and who was looking after her as her mother tried in vain to make contact?

The forum has dealt with this question before, not in quite as much detail as the McCanns have been probed ...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50164#msg50164 but as the internet gets more and more sanitised, it is something worth bearing in mind.

Thank you. So the letter was 'made public' by Dr. Marcos Aragão, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer and Amaral's wife denied all knowledge of it and said it was a forgery? Not necessarily true then, it seems.

[sadie]

Trouble is that her paces are only a little over 2 feet long.  Measured on Google Earth what she paces, Tapas reception to side gate, is 25 metres max.

She also is confused about which is the front of block 5 and which is the back.  She got it wrong.


Restaurant seat to Patio doors, in a rush, so cutting corners is 75 -78 metres.  Measured on GE.

The important thing is how long would it take in an emergency.

Despite being uphill and having steps and gates, Kate and Gerry who are both incredibly fit would do that in 25 seconds, less than 30 seconds anyway.


Only people who know just how high and just how steep it is up to the Geographical triangle at the eastern end of Luz, will appreciate just HOW fit they truly are.   Incredibly.

[Alfie]

Thank you. So the letter was 'made public' by Dr. Marcos Aragão, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer and Amaral's wife denied all knowledge of it and said it was a forgery? Not necessarily true then, it seems.

No necessarily a forgery either.

[sadie]

Thank you. So the letter was 'made public' by Dr. Marcos Aragão, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer and Amaral's wife denied all knowledge of it and said it was a forgery? Not necessarily true then, it seems.

Are you calling a lawyer a liar?

[stephen25000]

Are you calling a lawyer a liar?

Who would trust Correia, but a Mccann supporter.

Mind you we could always ask Pedro.