They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[Mr Gray]

G A .....who was the officer at the time [plus others on team]..say maddie wasn't abducted.....

or it was like being in a garden ..............

GA is on record as not understanding the forensic evidence......

[Mr Gray]

Good enough for me.
Who else took or takes risks is irrelevant in this instance.

no it isnt

[ShiningInLuz]

We know the McCanns were eating their evening meal less than a minute from their children and carrying out constant checks.  But as you yourself constantly keep reminding, that was inadvisable such was the state of lawlessness and dangers to children in Portugal of which holidaymakers were in ignorance.
No-one booking their holiday knew that in close proximity to Luz and in at least one case within Luz itself that holidaymakers' children were not safe in their own homes centimetres - not metres from their parents.

If the McCanns had been aware of the true state of affairs would they have left their children even for a second? ... but the fact of the matter may well be that given full information on the facts of the matter ... the more responsible thing for people with children to do would be not to set foot in Portugal at all.

Oh dear, if in doubt do a bit of Portugal-bashing.

[Alice Purjorick]

both sides would agree the chances of abduction were tiny....basically a risk near zero....but that is what happenned

So you say but there is no proof that happened and the case remains open.

[Brietta]

G A .....who was the officer at the time [plus others on team]..say maddie wasn't abducted.....

or it was like being in a garden ..............

Portugal's leading child psychologist, Luis Vilas Boas, who runs a refuge for abused children, insists that few paedophiles operate in the country. "There is no paedophile problem in Portugal," he says.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551438/The-burden-of-loss.html

Did no one mention anything at all about Casa Pia to him?

Seems leading cops and leading child psychologists in Portugal ... sometimes fail to show any evidence of being aware of what is going on around them.

[Alice Purjorick]

no it isnt

How so then O Wisest of all the Pelicans ?

[stephen25000]

Wake up at the back stephen.

Nothing irrelevant about being only 50 metres away from the only apartment that was illuminated.


Madeleine was targetted.  No other reason why they would chose that flat apart, I suppose, for the deeply recessed front door which was in blackness .... and nobody walked past.

That is your belief, but without facts to back it up, it remains a fairy story.

[Alice Purjorick]

Portugal's leading child psychologist, Luis Vilas Boas, who runs a refuge for abused children, insists that few paedophiles operate in the country. "There is no paedophile problem in Portugal," he says.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551438/The-burden-of-loss.html

Did no one mention anything at all about Casa Pia to him?

Seems leading cops and leading child psychologists in Portugal ... sometimes fail to show any evidence of being aware of what is going on around them.

Was there a 50m garden in Casa Pia they all dined in then?..............

[xtina]

GA is on record as not understanding the forensic evidence......

you can believe that ....but thousands don't

[Brietta]

Oh dear, if in doubt do a bit of Portugal-bashing.

I beg your pardon!

[Alfie]

Good enough for me.
Who else took or takes risks is irrelevant in this instance.

NOt really.  The McCanns have been and continue to be demonised for taking this risk despite the fact that millions of other parents, if not Most  parents, take risks with their own children's safety at one time or another.   Any idea why you think it's necessary to harp on about this aspect of the case regularly even 10years after the event?

[Alfie]

Was there a 50m garden in Casa Pia they all dined in then?..............

that's an inappropriately flippant comment IMO.

[stephen25000]

NOt really.  The McCanns have been and continue to be demonised for taking this risk despite the fact that millions of other parents, if not Most  parents, take risks with their own children's safety at one time or another.   Any idea why you think it's necessary to harp on about this aspect of the case regularly even 10years after the event?

You say millions.

Then provide cites to back it up please.

[Mr Gray]

So you say but there is no proof that happened and the case remains open.

there is proof...but first you would need to understand what term proof means

[Brietta]

Was there a 50m garden in Casa Pia they all dined in then?..............

I could not possibly know that ... however the children removed from what should have been their places of safety to the large houses to which they were taken to be abused -- note~ I have not used the word alleged because this was proved in court -- might have held onto their terror for a few minutes and paced the length of the gardens out.
You would have to ask them.