They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[Alfie]

Another of your rather now obvious tactics Alfie. You, I and everyone on this forum has seen the cites several times.

Is this the cite?


" 'She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'."

Can you underline the bit where she is claiming fears for her children's safety?  Her concern seems to be with Madeleine waking and not being able to reach them if the door is locked, which is not a concern about safety is it?

[Robittybob1]

The only work of any relevance is that carried out by The Met and PJ. Are you saying you have the inside track on what they are doing ?

No, just from my own analysis, I feel I can tell who were involved.  But that is only one point in time and hence it doesn't tell us where Madeleine is now.

[Alice Purjorick]

No, just from my own analysis, I feel I can tell who were involved.  But that is only one point in time and hence it doesn't tell us where Madeleine is now.

Pretty much the same place she was 72 hours after she disappeared, I shouldn't wonder.

[Robittybob1]

Pretty much the same place she was 72 hours after she disappeared, I shouldn't wonder.

That is what I don't know.  The majority of the evidence covers the first few hours and beyond that there is no real confirmed sightings or findings.

[G-Unit]

Is this the cite?


" 'She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'."

Can you underline the bit where she is claiming fears for her children's safety?  Her concern seems to be with Madeleine waking and not being able to reach them if the door is locked, which is not a concern about safety is it?

It certainly isn't as it suggests that Kate McCann left the door unlocked so that her three year old daughter could leave their apartment and wander the streets in her pyjamas searching for her parents. She seems to be overestimating the capabilities of her daughter and showing her disregard for the child's feelings and safety. Madeleine had allegedly woken before but she didn't leave the apartment through the unlocked door in search of her parents, she cried as would most children her age.

[Alfie]

It certainly isn't as it suggests that Kate McCann left the door unlocked so that her three year old daughter could leave their apartment and wander the streets in her pyjamas searching for her parents. She seems to be overestimating the capabilities of her daughter and showing her disregard for the child's feelings and safety. Madeleine had allegedly woken before but she didn't leave the apartment through the unlocked door in search of her parents, she cried as would most children her age.

Right, so we have established that Faithlilly is wrong to claim that Kate is a liar when she says in her books that she had no qualms about the security of the resort, but I'm afraid you too are wrong for claiming that Kate disregarded her children's feelings and safety because if that was true she would never have said a word to her friends about it in the first place.  Clearly she was concerned about it, it had been playing on her mind but she allowed herself to be jollied out of her worry by a husband and friend who said it would be fine.  She has explained in her book how devastated she feels about this decision which was clearly the wrong one in her view and everyone else's.  But please carry on accusing her of not caring about her kids, I'm sure you are in amuch better position to know about her feelings and relationship with her children than her mere friends and family who all describe her as a devoted mother.

[faithlilly]

Right, so we have established that Faithlilly is wrong to claim that Kate is a liar when she says in her books that she had no qualms about the security of the resort, but I'm afraid you too are wrong for claiming that Kate disregarded her children's feelings and safety because if that was true she would never have said a word to her friends about it in the first place.  Clearly she was concerned about it, it had been playing on her mind but she allowed herself to be jollied out of her worry by a husband and friend who said it would be fine.  She has explained in her book how devastated she feels about this decision which was clearly the wrong one in her view and everyone else's.  But please carry on accusing her of not caring about her kids, I'm sure you are in amuch better position to know about her feelings and relationship with her children than her mere friends and family who all describe her as a devoted mother.

Kate claimed she had not a moment's thought that leaving the children in an insecure apartment wasn't safe and you have just conceded that she was concerned so I really don't see your issue.

[xtina]

That is what I don't know.  The majority of the evidence covers the first few hours and beyond that there is no real confirmed sightings or findings.

Doesn't go well for the abduction theory then does it.....

[xtina]

I can't understand you really.  The windows were not open when the GNR and the PJ arrived so someone had closed them by then.  So how can you say "no one closed them they were still open"?
It is really important to define the time you are talking about.

Don't worry about it .....cos a lot of the time i don't understand you either

especially when you often go back .and then add to your post

[Alfie]

Kate claimed she had not a moment's thought that leaving the children in an insecure apartment wasn't safe and you have just conceded that she was concerned so I really don't see your issue.

Either you're not very bright, or you've managed to convince yourself that you're right despite the glaringly obvious fact that you're not.   
Let's try again, in bite sized chunks, then you can tell us which statement you disagree with. 

1)Kate voiced concerns to her friends on the evening of 3rd May.    YES/NO/DON'T KNOW
2) Kate's concern was NOT with the security of the resort or the apartment.   YES/NO/DON'T KNOW
3) Kate stated in her book that if she had had any concerns about the safety of the resort or the apartment she would have not left the kids.  YES/NO/DON'T KNOW
4) Kate's concern on the evening of 3rd May was about Madeleine waking and finding them not there and wanting to call out or come to find them.   YES/NO/DON'T KNOW
5) Kate voiced this concern on the 3rd May (towards the end of the holiday) because Madeleine told her that she (Madeleine) had awoken the previous night and wanted to know why they (her parents) didn't come to them.  YES/NO/DON'T KNOW
6) A child who wakes and cries in the night is not necessarily a child in danger from her surroundings.  YES/NO/DON'T KNOW

[Miss Taken Identity]

Right, so we have established that Faithlilly is wrong to claim that Kate is a liar when she says in her books that she had no qualms about the security of the resort, but I'm afraid you too are wrong for claiming that Kate disregarded her children's feelings and safety because if that was true she would never have said a word to her friends about it in the first place.  Clearly she was concerned about it, it had been playing on her mind but she allowed herself to be jollied out of her worry by a husband and friend who said it would be fine.  She has explained in her book how devastated she feels about this decision which was clearly the wrong one in her view and everyone else's.  But please carry on accusing her of not caring about her kids, I'm sure you are in amuch better position to know about her feelings and relationship with her children than her mere friends and family who all describe her as a devoted mother.

No we haven't established any such thing Alfie. The evidence is She left her daughter alone, disregarding her safety, failing to risk assess is a major failing as a parent.

being concerned after the fact isn't quite the same thing.. you  know 'with hinddsight ' and all that.

"Clearly she was concerned about it, it had been playing on her mind but she allowed herself to be jollied out of her worry by a husband and friend who said it would be fine." so that was  an easy descision was it? it just shows how none of those parents showed any concern for theirs or other tapas children.

Of course they were all devoted, loving parents... after the fact?

On another point of your post to Faith...

Calling people names or questioning their level of 'brightness' IQ is a childish thing to do, and it does confirm when people resort to it they have either lost the argument or have nothing of value to bring to the debate.

[Alfie]

No we haven't established any such thing Alfie. The evidence is She left her daughter alone, disregarding her safety, failing to risk assess is a major failing as a parent.

being concerned after the fact isn't quite the same thing.. you  know 'with hinddsight ' and all that.

"Clearly she was concerned about it, it had been playing on her mind but she allowed herself to be jollied out of her worry by a husband and friend who said it would be fine." so that was  an easy descision was it? it just shows how none of those parents showed any concern for theirs or other tapas children.

Of course they were all devoted, loving parents... after the fact?

On another point of your post to Faith...

Calling people names or questioning their level of 'brightness' IQ is a childish thing to do, and it does confirm when people resort to it they have either lost the argument or have nothing of value to bring to the debate.

I speak as I find, and Faithlilly was quite simply wrong to say that Kate was lying when she said in her book that she had no concerns about the safety of the resort , prior to Madeleine's disappearance.  Nothing you have written above contradicts that fact.