McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)

[pathfinder73]

All I can say is he hasn't read all the statements.  Amy Tierney states she saw the window open and the shutters up.

The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act. (Chapter 22 TOTL)

[Robittybob1]

The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act. (Chapter 22 TOTL)

Yes you could open and close the window in a matter of seconds and raise the blinds in 20 seconds I'd imagine, so one could always say that. 
I felt Amy arrived much earlier than that, so how did you put a time on it?  I want to see how you establish a time?

[Benice]

The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act. (Chapter 22 TOTL)

The open window and shutters were Kate and Gerry's 'proof' that an intruder had been in 5A.    If it was pre-planned and  'staged' -  then the one thing they would have made absolutely sure of - was that people SAW the open windows/shutters.   They would both have to be extremely stupid not to realise that.  IMO

[pathfinder73]

The open window and shutters were Kate and Gerry's 'proof' that an intruder had been in 5A.    If it was pre-planned and  'staged' -  then the one thing they would have made absolutely sure of - was that people SAW the open windows/shutters.   They would both have to be extremely stupid not to realise that.  IMO

Who's fingerprints were found on the window? That is evidence not belief.

[pathfinder73]

Yes you could open and close the window in a matter of seconds and raise the blinds in 20 seconds I'd imagine, so one could always say that. 
I felt Amy arrived much earlier than that, so how did you put a time on it?  I want to see how you establish a time?

Emma Knight was first OC staff to apartment 5A at around 10:20 (Kate/Fiona present) so Amy was after.

[Robittybob1]

Who's fingerprints were found on the window? That is evidence not belief.

All that shows to me is that the person who opened the window was careful and wore gloves maybe or used the edges of the curtain to push the window, or to wipe their own fingerprints off the places they had touched.

[Robittybob1]

Emma Knight was first OC staff to apartment 5A at around 10:20 (Kate/Fiona present) so Amy was after.

Who says she was first?

[Benice]

Who's fingerprints were found on the window? That is evidence not belief.

If it was preplanned - then they would have made sure there was no fingerprints on the window. They were not daft.

 IMO the prints showed that Kate had put her hand on the window whilst leaning out.    People don't normally open sliding windows by pushing the pane across with their hands - they use the handle or whatever is there for that purpose.

She may even have touched the window on day one when they closed the shutters. AFAIK There is no evidence that the windows were cleaned after that and IMO windows would only be cleaned after their departure and before new guests arrived.

[Robittybob1]

Emma Knight was first OC staff to apartment 5A at around 10:20 (Kate/Fiona present) so Amy was after.

Does Emma say Amy arrived after her?

[pathfinder73]

If it was preplanned - then they would have made sure there was no fingerprints on the window. They were not daft.

 IMO the prints showed that Kate had put her hand on the window whilst leaning out.    People don't normally open sliding windows by pushing the pane across with their hands - they use the handle or whatever is there for that purpose.

She may even have touched the window on day one when they closed the shutters. AFAIK There is no evidence that the windows were cleaned after that and IMO windows would only be cleaned after their departure and before new guests arrived.

They said the window was open but none of the group witnessed it.

TPN: What did you find at the apartment?

GA: No signs of forced entry. There were no signs of glove marks on the window.

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/exclusive-in-english-former-maddie-cop-interview/24788

[pathfinder73]

Does Emma say Amy arrived after her?

Amy was at the night creche after the alarm was raised. If you think she was first on the scene then you are wrong. DW said Kate was alone. EK was sent to 5A to talk to the missing parents and get a description of the missing child not Amy.  EK found Kate and Fiona there. Men were out searching.

[Robittybob1]

Amy was at the night creche after the alarm was raised. If you think she was first on the scene then you are wrong. DW said Kate was alone. EK was sent to 5A to talk to the missing parents and get a description of the missing child not Amy.  EK found Kate and Fiona there. Men were out searching.

You are wrong.  Emma Knight states "

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

So that means Amy has already been there by that time.  EK is sent to 5A by John Hill later and he wasn't notified till 10:28 PM.

[pathfinder73]

"I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed."

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

So around 22:20 is my timeline when EK arrived at apartment 5A.

[Robittybob1]

"I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed."

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

So around 22:20 is my timeline when EK arrived at apartment 5A.

OK that is Emma Knight but we were talking originally about Amy Tierney. 

[pathfinder73]

OK that is Emma Knight but we were talking originally about Amy Tierney.

Amy was at the night creche when the call was made so it was not possible for her to be in 5A before that time. DW went there first - Kate alone. Fiona went next - EK found Kate and Fiona - nobody else.