McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)

[Robittybob1]

DW and Fiona saw no open window or shutters.

But Fiona accepts that the window was open http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

when Kate, the night when we came back and Madeleine was gone, and I think that was something that had, erm, there had been some discussion about, because she'd, the door had slammed, erm, when she'd gone in, had slammed shut, and she'd gone back to look, thinking she'd left the French doors open and, in fact, they were shut and she thought, well where's the breeze coming from, and it was then that she'd opened the door to realise that the window was open and that's why the door had slammed'.

'At that point, Gerry, I don't think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she's got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened. And by that point Kate was already saying that the, what she'd found when she'd gone back, which was that the, she'd found the window open and the shutter open and she was convinced at that point that somebody had taken, taken Madeleine and that's what she was telling me and I was like 'They can't have done. They can't have done this', you know. And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd. Erm, we were trying to ascertain whether Madeleine could have got out, and I've already said earlier the shutters were very heavy, and I was almost trying to convince Kate that she could have opened the shutter and climbed out, although knowing that wasn't a likely thing, but at that point we were just trying to pacify Kate in that Madeleine was going to be alright. Erm, and I, I think I touched the webbing in that room, but because Sean and Amelie were asleep, I didn't actually open the shutter in that room, we went, I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the back, just to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside'.

She never says Kate was wrong about the windows and shutters.

[pathfinder73]

Emma is mentioned by Fiona but from that you can't tell when she arrived.

I can from her statement. She received a call at 22:17 and went straight to 5A to get a description of the missing child for the search. Only Kate and Fiona being there fits with the statements and the time. Later at 22:30 Pamela Fenn was speaking to Gerry on the balcony. When Emma arrived Gerry wasn't there. Fiona said Emma because she was first OC staff to arrive at 5A - not Amy.

[sadie]

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[Robittybob1]

I can from her statement. She received a call at 22:17 and went straight to 5A to get a description of the missing child for the search. Only Kate and Fiona being there fits with the statements and the time. Later at 22:30 Pamela Fenn was speaking to Gerry on the balcony. When Emma arrived Gerry wasn't there. Fiona said Emma because she was first OC staff to arrive at 5A - not Amy.

You are making it up again  -  "Fiona said Emma because she was first OC staff to arrive at 5A"  that is disputed as there were times Fiona was talking to Jane so she wasn't there all the time.

[pathfinder73]

From memory, I think that Diane Webster said after waiting at the tapas restaurant, she went back to their apartment.  Then she decided to go to 5A, where she tried the shutters.  So some little time, or maybe longer, was wasted before she went to 5A.

Someone will correct me if i have this wrong.

Your wish is granted Sadie

Asked about the reaction of other members of the group when they heard the above from KATE, the witness says that everyone, except the witness, left the restaurant and went to the apartment of the couple McCANN in order to find out what was going on.

In turn, as relates to her, the witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.

In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment, but all this is very, very, very vague and I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment, which was just absolute err just terrible.”

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

[pathfinder73]

You are making it up again  -  "Fiona said Emma because she was first OC staff to arrive at 5A"  that is disputed as there were times Fiona was talking to Jane so she wasn't there all the time.

Amy was at the night creche so wouldn't have been there before Fiona. Dianne was there before Fiona and said Kate was alone. Amaral in correct - Amy would have been there later - 10:25 onwards.

[sadie]

Your wish is granted Sadie

Asked about the reaction of other members of the group when they heard the above from KATE, the witness says that everyone, except the witness, left the restaurant and went to the apartment of the couple McCANN in order to find out what was going on.

In turn, as relates to her, the witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.

In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment, but all this is very, very, very vague and I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment, which was just absolute err just terrible.”

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

Thankyou Pfinder.   Seems I remembered it incorrectly

Well after having gone back to her own apartment, I think she returned to apartment 5a and tested the shutters ....  So a second visit to 5a.

[Robittybob1]

Amy was at the night creche so wouldn't have been there before Fiona. Dianne was there before Fiona and said Kate was alone. Amaral in correct - Amy would have been there later - 10:25 onwards.

Why are you blaming Amaral now?  You are wrong.  Check that Fiona talks to Jane so she must leave the McCann's apartment at some stage.  It could be while fiona is out that Amy spends a few minutes there assessing the situation.  While fiona is out she does not know who came there.  Maybe we need to check Kate's statement.

"Dianne was there before Fiona and said Kate was alone."  That might be the exact time she is visiting Jane.

[pathfinder73]

Why are you blaming Amaral now?  You are wrong.  Check that Fiona talks to Jane so she must leave the McCann's apartment at some stage.  It could be while fiona is out that Amy spends a few minutes there assessing the situation.  While fiona is out she does not know who came there.  Maybe we need to check Kate's statement.

"Dianne was there before Fiona and said Kate was alone."  That might be the exact time she is visiting Jane.

Amaral is correct. You have no evidence of Amy being there before Emma Knight at around 22:20. DW was 10 minutes in 5A according to her the first time (Kate alone) and then Fiona went in around 22:10 (DW saw her the second time she went in after collecting things from the table including the McCanns camera).

"At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment.

The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Timeline

22:00 DW enters 5A - Kate alone
22:09 DW leaves and goes to the table to collect things
22:10 Around the same time Fiona enters 5A after sending Matt to call the police - Kate alone
22:20 Emma Knight arrives and finds Kate and Fiona at 5A

No Amy. Unless you can provide evidence to support it then you are wrong!

[Robittybob1]

Amaral is correct. You have no evidence of Amy being there before Emma Knight at around 22:20. DW was 10 minutes in 5A according to her the first time (Kate alone) and then Fiona went in around 22:10 (DW saw her the second time she went in after collecting things from the table including the McCanns camera).

"At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment.

The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Timeline

22:00 DW enters 5A - Kate alone
22:09 DW leaves and goes to the table to collect things
22:10 Around the same time Fiona enters 5A after sending Matt to call the police - Kate alone
22:20 Emma Knight arrives and finds Kate and Fiona at 5A

No Amy. Unless you can provide evidence to support it then you are wrong!

I have Amy's statement that is evidence.

Are you trying to tell me Dianne entered the apartment even before Fiona did?  I just find that surprising and I have never considered that before.  Have I understood you correctly on that? 

[pathfinder73]

I have Amy's statement that is evidence.

Are you trying to tell me Dianne entered the apartment even before Fiona did?  I just find that surprising and I have never considered that before.  Have I understood you correctly on that?

Dianne entered 5A first when the others were searching - Kate was alone with the twins. Fiona was with the men searching until she told Matt to go and call the police and then she entered 5A at around 10:10 where she again found Kate alone with the twins. The men were out searching.

1485
 'So having got back from your search around the corner, did you go then straight into the McCANN's''
 
 Reply
 'Yeah'.
 
 1485
 'What did you see when you walked in, describe it''
 
 Reply
 'At that point, Gerry, I don't think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she's got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened. And by that point Kate was already saying that the, what she'd found when she'd gone back, which was that the, she'd found the window open and the shutter open and she was convinced at that point that somebody had taken, taken Madeleine and that's what she was telling me and I was like 'They can't have done. They can't have done this', you know. And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine's bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn't stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn't stir at all, which that was, that was odd. Erm, we were trying to ascertain whether Madeleine could have got out, and I've already said earlier the shutters were very heavy, and I was almost trying to convince Kate that she could have opened the shutter and climbed out, although knowing that wasn't a likely thing, but at that point we were just trying to pacify Kate in that Madeleine was going to be alright. Erm, and I, I think I touched the webbing in that room, but because Sean and Amelie were asleep, I didn't actually open the shutter in that room, we went, I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the back, just to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside'.

 1485
 'And''
 
 Reply
 'I mean, it was fairly obviously, I think, that that wasn't what had happened and what could have happened'.
 
 1485
 'So what did you do, walk out of the apartment and round the other side then''
 
 Reply
 'No, I'.
 
 1485
 'Or did you do it from the inside''
 
 Reply
 'I did it from, I'm talking about, so, again, the back or the front, I did it from the back, which is where their balcony was'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

When Emma Knight arrived she only found Kate and Fiona at 5A.

[pathfinder73]

This proves Amy wasn't at 5A before 10:20. She made the call to Lyndsay from the night creche after the mother informed them of Maddy's disappearance.

She advised the aforementioned individual (mother who heard shouting for Maddy - PF) that no one had told them of the disappearance, who she believed by the name given, was Madeleine, also for the reason that Amy contacted via telephone her supervisor, Lyndsay, who informed her that Madeleine had indeed disappeared;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

At around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

1. Mother arrives at night creche and informs them of Maddy's disappearance
2. Amy calls her supevisor Lyndsay Johnson (crecehe manager) and informs her
3. Lyndsay calls the hotel manager Emma Knight at 22:17
4. Emma goes straight to 5A to get a description of Madeleine for the search

Amaral is correct.

The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act. (Chapter 22 TOTL)

[G-Unit]

This proves Amy wasn't at 5A before 10:20. She made the call to Lyndsay from the night creche after the mother informed them of Maddy's disappearance.

She advised the aforementioned individual (mother who heard shouting for Maddy - PF) that no one had told them of the disappearance, who she believed by the name given, was Madeleine, also for the reason that Amy contacted via telephone her supervisor, Lyndsay, who informed her that Madeleine had indeed disappeared;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

At around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

1. Mother arrives at night creche and informs them of Maddy's disappearance
2. Amy calls her supevisor Lyndsay Johnson (crecehe manager) and informs her
3. Lyndsay calls the hotel manager Emma Knight at 22:17
4. Emma goes straight to 5A to get a description of Madeleine for the search

How did Amy see the open window and shutters? No-one else did because Gerry had closed them.

[Robittybob1]

She must have got there before Gerry closed them.
Kate in her book says "everyone sprinted back to our apartment" What does that mean?  She then tells us not Dianne nor Jane. Page 95
Does Gerry admit to closing the shutters?

[stephen25000]

She must have got there before Gerry closed them.

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