McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)

[Alice Purjorick]

It was always the condition, on the British side, of their participation in a joint investigation, that the protocols of English law in releasing information into the public domain be observed.

The way the (joint) second investigation is being conducted is exactly the way the first investigation ought to have been conducted.

All that is very easy to say but very difficult to impose unless wanting to appear obstructive.
Rewritten it says "we will cooperate provided you change your laws."
But that is not the thrust of the letter you have linked.
Is it the latest edict from HQ that this now has to be refereed to as a Joint Investigation?
It wasn't and never will be added to which about a year ago or so "tout le monde" was banging on about how disgraceful it was that it wasn't a joint investigation?
Make yer bleedin' minds up. Did yer mums never explain yo can't have yer bun and yer ha'penny.

[Robittybob1]

Errr we are not 'benefiting' from it at all, sorry. The translation the McCanns alledgedly paid for was not made available to the public. The same goes for the official translation that Operation Grange ordered and paid for. Out of UK taxpayers pockets.
With all these FOI requests flying around it keeps surprising me nobody asks for those translations to be made public.
It would put all this mistranslation-humbug to rest. All imo of course.

So does anyone know who paid for the the McCann files translation?  The translation that is publicly available. 

[Alfie]

So does anyone know who paid for the the McCann files translation?  The translation that is publicly available.

It was a labour of love (or should that be hate?) by a bunch of bilingual sceptics, I believe.

[ShiningInLuz]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LAWYERS_UK_POLICE.htm

Two paragraphs from the (long) letter:

Many thanks for this.

The date on the letter is 25 Jul 08.  The date the DVD was released was 4 Aug 08

It would be interesting to know if it was filleted strictly according to Portuguese law or whether the multiple UK laws referred to were considered.

Even allowing for earlier to and fro on the topic, there does not appear to be the time, logistically, to carry out the requests in this letter.

But I appreciate your point was about lawyers trying to restrict certain types of information, not whether they achieved that aim.

[Robittybob1]

It was a labour of love (or should that be hate?) by a bunch of bilingual sceptics, I believe.

So could we get versions of the PJ Files depending on the flavour of the translator?

[ShiningInLuz]

So could we get versions of the PJ Files depending on the flavour of the translator?

Some of the amateur translators point out that there are different language constructs in Portuguese and English, and that this affects the translation.

This would also have affected the original interview records of people who did not speak Portuguese, and hence had to use a translator.

The best we have got is the records in Portuguese, which can be re-checked if something looks not quite right.

There is a very long thread at http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6432.0 on the topic of translation errors.

[Alfie]

So could we get versions of the PJ Files depending on the flavour of the translator?

All I know is - the files were translated by individuals who already decided the McCanns were involved in their child's disappearance, not by anyone with a completely objective viewpoint.  So, make of that what you will.

[Brietta]

All I know is - the files were translated by individuals who already decided the McCanns were involved in their child's disappearance, not by anyone with a completely objective viewpoint.  So, make of that what you will.

There was a total disregard both for Portuguese and European convention with in some cases the personal details of witnesses being publicised including home addresses in conjunction with their witness statements.
That information should not have been released into the public domain.

Who can tell if a witness unwittingly held the key to solving the case and was put at risk from those 'in the know' when reading the information given.
Or were forewarned about something which might incriminate them and enable the appropriate action to be taken to rectify that.

Also, it seems that it was disgracefully never envisaged that Madeleine McCann's case would become live again.
Publication of the files has very likely compromised any case that could be made against any named individual within them.


Principle 16 - Protection of witnesses
The identity of witnesses should not be disclosed, unless a witness has given his or her prior consent, the identification of a witness is of public concern, or the testimony has already been given in public. The identity of witnesses should never be disclosed where this endangers their lives or security. Due respect shall be paid to protection programmes for witnesses, especially in criminal proceedings against organised crime or crime within the family.
https://search.coe.int/cm/Pages/result_details.aspx?ObjectID=09000016805df617

[slartibartfast]

If someone libelled you, tried to ruin your good name and worse prevent the search for your missing child.  Then it went to Court, and say you won £500,000 as compensation for their libel against you, who would get the money?

Would that money be yours or someone elses?   Please explain yourself stephen.



Would it be distasteful to you that someone put out a multitude of disinformation about you and tried to implicate you in the death of your child ... or would that be alright by you ?


Kate went to the considerable trouble of writing a good book about the Madeleine case.
It was a great success and she earned hundreds of thousands of pounds for it.  Was that money hers to spend as she wished?


Kate and Gerry chose to forgo the monies that were rightfully theirs to try and find their missing daughter.  Are you saying that they had no right to do that?


I wonder what you would do with such money?   

Probably keep it for yourself as the dishonest Amaral and his criminal friend Cristavao have with the monies they earned writing their books?  The writings, in their cases, were biased and libellous by British standards




So kate and Gerry gave huge sums [£1 million plus ?] of their own money to help the search ... and you are bemoaning them ?



What a lot you are saying about yourself stephen.  And it is not very nice tbh.

The money would be yours until you gave it to another person or company.

[Mr Gray]

Some of the amateur translators point out that there are different language constructs in Portuguese and English, and that this affects the translation.

This would also have affected the original interview records of people who did not speak Portuguese, and hence had to use a translator.

The best we have got is the records in Portuguese, which can be re-checked if something looks not quite right.

There is a very long thread at http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6432.0 on the topic of translation errors.

what we dont have is  a record of what teh mccanns actually said in english....any non verbatim twice translated account is absolutely 100 per cent sure to contain innaccuracies

[slartibartfast]

what we dont have is  a record of what teh mccanns actually said in english....any non verbatim twice translated account is absolutely 100 per cent sure to contain innaccuracies

True, their statements could have been really suspicious.

[Mr Gray]

True, their statements could have been really suspicious.

and there again they could not.....showing your bias again....at least you admit they are not accurate

[slartibartfast]

and there again they could not.....showing your bias again....at least you admit they are not accurate

Just pointing out that inaccuracies would work both ways.

[Mr Gray]

Just pointing out that inaccuracies would work both ways.

you only mentioned one way...as i said...showing your bias

[Alfie]

True, their statements could have been really suspicious.

I don't think the "sceptic" translators would have missed a trick at translating "really suspicious" statements accurately do you?