McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)

[Robittybob1]

I don't think the "sceptic" translators would have missed a trick at translating "really suspicious" statements accurately do you?

Is there only the one set of translations on the net?

[Alfie]

Is there only the one set of translations on the net?

As far as I'm aware yes.  Can you imagine if they'd been translated by a McCann supporter or by a translator paid for by the McCanns?  We wouldn't be allowed to use them as a cite at all!

[jassi]

If they had been paid for by the McCanns, I dare say they would not have been made available to us .

[Alfie]

If they had been paid for by the McCanns, I dare say they would not have been made available to us .

Maybe, but that wasn't my point.  My point was you would have called every single translated word into question.

[jassi]

Rather a moot point as they would not have seen the light of day to be commented on.
It's only because the translations came form elsewhere that we have been able to see them.
If the translations are so wrong, then it is in the McCanns hand to correct them.

[sadie]

Rather a moot point as they would not have seen the light of day to be commented on.
It's only because the translations came form elsewhere that we have been able to see them.
If the translations are so wrong, then it is in the McCanns hand to correct them.

Seems they have privately.

Perhaps they prefer to "keep their powder dry" rather than reveal any descrepancies to certain sneering others.?

[slartibartfast]

Seems they have privately.

Perhaps they prefer to "keep their powder dry" rather than reveal any descrepancies to certain sneering others.?

So they would rather suffer the "persecution" of the sceptics than release the translations which would address the discrepancies. As you would say ORLY.

[Mr Gray]

So they would rather suffer the "persecution" of the sceptics than release the translations which would address the discrepancies. As you would say ORLY.

they are intelligent enough to realise nothing will silence the persecutors....SY has said they bare not suspects....what difference has that made....none

[slartibartfast]

they are intelligent enough to realise nothing will silence the persecutors....SY has said they bare not suspects....what difference has that made....none

The other one has bells on it.

[Alfie]

The other one has bells on it.

This implies you believe the Met are treating the McCanns as suspects - do you seriously believe this?

[ShiningInLuz]

All I know is - the files were translated by individuals who already decided the McCanns were involved in their child's disappearance, not by anyone with a completely objective viewpoint.  So, make of that what you will.

I do believe that 1) you would have to back up your opinion that the files were translated by sceptics, 2) give an example or two of bias, 3) explain why the McCanns did not release the professional equivalent and/or point out significant discrepancies, 4) why Kate made no comment about this in her book 5) why the McCanns did not take the webmaster to court and 6) why we can see the originals for ourselves and pick up errors.

As far as I can see, the errors do not show bias.  They show a bunch of amateur translators working their socks off and making a rare mistake.

[Alfie]

I do believe that 1) you would have to back up your opinion that the files were translated by sceptics, 2) give an example or two of bias, 3) explain why the McCanns did not release the professional equivalent and/or point out significant discrepancies, 4) why Kate made no comment about this in her book 5) why the McCanns did not take the webmaster to court and 6) why we can see the originals for ourselves and pick up errors.

As far as I can see, the errors do not show bias.  They show a bunch of amateur translators working their socks off and making a rare mistake.

As I didn't claim that the translations were biased I don't have to do any of that.  The files were translated by sceptics though, forget their names, but I'm sure someone will help me out here.

[Brietta]

I do believe that 1) you would have to back up your opinion that the files were translated by sceptics, 2) give an example or two of bias, 3) explain why the McCanns did not release the professional equivalent and/or point out significant discrepancies, 4) why Kate made no comment about this in her book 5) why the McCanns did not take the webmaster to court and 6) why we can see the originals for ourselves and pick up errors.

As far as I can see, the errors do not show bias.  They show a bunch of amateur translators working their socks off and making a rare mistake.

You ask, "3) explain why the McCanns did not release the professional equivalent and/or point out significant discrepancies"

The McCanns paid to have the files translated as part of their endeavour to continue the search for their daughter ... the little girl whose archived case was being studiously ignored by British law enforcement and more particularly by Portuguese law enforcement.

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"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.
“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.
She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.
Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.
"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Madeleine McCann's case is now active ... it is unheard of for the files in an active police investigation to be released into the public domain ... as far as the Brits are concerned, until it is discovered what happened to Madeleine her case remains open.

It should not be forgotten that until her parents managed to have her case reopened Madeleine had been written off because without a shred of supporting evidence she was believed dead by those who should have been looking for her.

For example, Ricardo Paiva and his infamous "not relevant to the investigation" file.

[ShiningInLuz]

You ask, "3) explain why the McCanns did not release the professional equivalent and/or point out significant discrepancies"

The McCanns paid to have the files translated as part of their endeavour to continue the search for their daughter ... the little girl whose archived case was being studiously ignored by British law enforcement and more particularly by Portuguese law enforcement.

Snip
"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.
“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.
She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.
Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.
"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Madeleine McCann's case is now active ... it is unheard of for the files in an active police investigation to be released into the public domain ... as far as the Brits are concerned, until it is discovered what happened to Madeleine her case remains open.

It should not be forgotten that until her parents managed to have her case reopened Madeleine had been written off because without a shred of supporting evidence she was believed dead by those who should have been looking for her.

For example, Ricardo Paiva and his infamous "not relevant to the investigation" file.

What has any of this got to do with why the McCanns did not publish officially translated files?

If they have their hands on El Premio Gordo are they supposed to keep the blockbuster hidden?

[Brietta]

What has any of this got to do with why the McCanns did not publish officially translated files?

If they have their hands on El Premio Gordo are they supposed to keep the blockbuster hidden?

Perhaps it is of more relevance that the files are used as one would have assumed their original purpose should have been ... to assist in solving what happened to Madeleine McCann leading to her recovery.

Why do you think the McCanns should have more interest in endowing the hostile feeding frenzy of those with an apparent vested interest in Madeleine's death by publishing details of the ongoing case hoping to find her alive?

Active investigations just are not engineered to appease the lowest common denominator ... the aim of this particular one is to do what was not done ... and Madeleine McCann is the focus.