Who entered Apartment 5A and who didn't - a definitive study.

[G-Unit]

They would use a vacuum cleaner wouldn't they and then sort through the dust for hairs.

Various collection methods exist. I don't know what method was used in this case.
http://crimeandclues.com/2013/04/05/trace-evidence-hair/

Here are the hairs and where found;

mtDNA    Number of                                    Comparison with
profile   Samples    Recovered from                   reference samples

B           3        3 entrance hall
B1          1        1 entrance hall
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                    13 lounge
                    15 entrance hall
C          53       13 entrance to bedroom            Kate Healy (Mother)
                     4 floor; bed next to window
                     1 bed of the child
                     7 floor; next to child's bed
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D           1        1 lounge
D1          1        1 entrance to bedroom
D1          1        1 floor; bed next to window
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F           3        1 lounge                               
                     2 entrance hall
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G           1        1 lounge                         Matthew Oldfield
I           1        1 entrance hall                  David Payne
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                     1 floor; bed next to window
J           3        1 entrance hall
                     1 floor; next to child's bed
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K          14        1 Residencia Liliana                     
                    13 vehicle(envlps 1,3,4,5 and 6)
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                     1 spot on bedspread
L           8        1 entrance to bedroom
                     2 entrance hall
                     4 floor; bed next to window
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M          48       13 vehicle (envlps 1,2,3 and 4)
                    35 Residencia Liliana             Robert Murat
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                     2 lounge
                    11 entrance hall
N          24        6 entrance to bedroom            Gerald Mccann
                     2 floor; bed next to window
                     3 floor; next to child's bed
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0           2        1 lounge
                     1 entrance hall                  Russell O'Brien
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Q           2        1 entrance hall
                     1 lounge                               

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

Various collection methods exist. I don't know what method was used in this case.
http://crimeandclues.com/2013/04/05/trace-evidence-hair/

Here are the hairs and where found;

mtDNA    Number of                                    Comparison with
profile   Samples    Recovered from                   reference samples

B           3        3 entrance hall
B1          1        1 entrance hall
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                    13 lounge
                    15 entrance hall
C          53       13 entrance to bedroom            Kate Healy (Mother)
                     4 floor; bed next to window
                     1 bed of the child
                     7 floor; next to child's bed
-------------------------------------------------------
D           1        1 lounge
D1          1        1 entrance to bedroom
D1          1        1 floor; bed next to window
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F           3        1 lounge                               
                     2 entrance hall
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G           1        1 lounge                         Matthew Oldfield
I           1        1 entrance hall                  David Payne
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                     1 floor; bed next to window
J           3        1 entrance hall
                     1 floor; next to child's bed
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K          14        1 Residencia Liliana                     
                    13 vehicle(envlps 1,3,4,5 and 6)
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                     1 spot on bedspread
L           8        1 entrance to bedroom
                     2 entrance hall
                     4 floor; bed next to window
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M          48       13 vehicle (envlps 1,2,3 and 4)
                    35 Residencia Liliana             Robert Murat
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                     2 lounge
                    11 entrance hall
N          24        6 entrance to bedroom            Gerald Mccann
                     2 floor; bed next to window
                     3 floor; next to child's bed
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0           2        1 lounge
                     1 entrance hall                  Russell O'Brien
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Q           2        1 entrance hall
                     1 lounge                               

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

L is rather interesting.  Since the spot on the bedspread was attributed to a prior occupant, and since 7 hairs were also found from him, it seems reasonable to assume that the Saturday cleaning was not sufficient to remove all traces of previous occupants.

[G-Unit]

L is rather interesting.  Since the spot on the bedspread was attributed to a prior occupant, and since 7 hairs were also found from him, it seems reasonable to assume that the Saturday cleaning was not sufficient to remove all traces of previous occupants.

I find it interesting that so few hairs were found. The cleaner must have done a good job on the Wednesday morning. Perhaps she was able to spend more time in the week than on a Saturday? She still missed those hairs though, somehow.

Only one hair was found on Madeleine's bed which could have belonged to her, her mother or one of her siblings. The average number of hairs shed each day is 125, or just over 5 every hour. Madeleine seems to have been a below average hair shedder.

[ShiningInLuz]

I find it interesting that so few hairs were found. The cleaner must have done a good job on the Wednesday morning. Perhaps she was able to spend more time in the week than on a Saturday? She still missed those hairs though, somehow.

Only one hair was found on Madeleine's bed which could have belonged to her, her mother or one of her siblings. The average number of hairs shed each day is 125, or just over 5 every hour. Madeleine seems to have been a below average hair shedder.

That is interesting.  Since Kate tells us that the evening routine was her and the twins piled onto Madeleine's bed, why aren't there more hairs on the bed?

[Robittybob1]

Did I understand that correctly that the "Kate Healy" group includes the kids as well?

[Mr Gray]

That is interesting.  Since Kate tells us that the evening routine was her and the twins piled onto Madeleine's bed, why aren't there more hairs on the bed?

perhaps there were more hairs on the bed but the pj failed to collect them

[Robittybob1]

That is interesting.  Since Kate tells us that the evening routine was her and the twins piled onto Madeleine's bed, why aren't there more hairs on the bed?

That story doesn't align with the physical and forensic evidence very well does it?

[G-Unit]

That is interesting.  Since Kate tells us that the evening routine was her and the twins piled onto Madeleine's bed, why aren't there more hairs on the bed?

As far as I can work it out it would be normal to shed a few during the night too. So a little unusual to find only one on Madeleine's bed and none on the bed under the window.

The FSS were a little vague about hairs, I thought. They were given the 'Rothley' pillowcase, 3 tops and a hairbrush which were examined for hairs.

12 hairs or hair fragments were found on the tops, none on the pillowcase or in the hairbrush. One was discounted because it was brown and they learned nothing from the other 11. In fact they couldn't be sure if they were all from the same person, and they didn't really think any of them belonged to Madeleine because they measured 1.77 inches or less, much shorter than her hair in photos.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#1-2oa327-336

Where the tops and hairbrush came from I don't know, but it seems the FSS never obtained a reference sample of Madeleine's hair.

[Brietta]

My daughters had very long hair as children.  Bedtime routine consisted of it being brushed, sometimes set in rags for ringlets, sometimes just tied loosely back.  I do not recall finding loose hair on their pillows in the morning ... such an occurrence would have been noticed due to the length of the hairs.
Probably hairs due to be shed all ended up on their hairbrushes.  I find nothing extraordinary in the lack of hair found on Madeleine's bed ... however, what I do consider extraordinary is that Madeleine's bedding was not secured in an evidence bag but was allowed to be taken to the laundry by the cleaner.

[G-Unit]

Did I understand that correctly that the "Kate Healy" group includes the kids as well?

Mitochondrial DNA is passed to children by their mother. Kate's three children should have the same mitochondrial DNA as their mother and as each other. The only question arising is that Gerry alone shed 24 hairs, so 53 between the other four family members seems a bit sparse.

[sadie]

Mitochondrial DNA is passed to children by their mother. Kate's three children should have the same mitochondrial DNA as their mother and as each other. The only question arising is that Gerry alone shed 24 hairs, so 53 between the other four family members seems a bit sparse.

Men of a certain age, depending on the specific man start losing their hair.

The little ones were not around as much as the parents and in any case they lose less hair.

Maybe that is why Gerrys hair showed up more ?   But is it important?

[Brietta]

Men of a certain age, depending on the specific man start losing their hair.

The little ones were not around as much as the parents and in any case they lose less hair.

Maybe that is why Gerrys hair showed up more ?   But is it important?

The importance of the hair samples had nothing to do with identifying those who had been legitimately on the premises ... it was to search for those belonging to persons whose hair should not have been found in that location.

[Robittybob1]

The importance of the hair samples had nothing to do with identifying those who had been legitimately on the premises ... it was to search for those belonging to persons whose hair should not have been found in that location.

And there seems quite a few without names linked to them.

Various collection methods exist. I don't know what method was used in this case.
http://crimeandclues.com/2013/04/05/trace-evidence-hair/

Here are the hairs and where found;

mtDNA    Number of                                    Comparison with
profile   Samples    Recovered from                   reference samples

B           3        3 entrance hall
B1          1        1 entrance hall
-------------------------------------------------------
                    13 lounge
                    15 entrance hall
C          53       13 entrance to bedroom            Kate Healy (Mother)
                     4 floor; bed next to window
                     1 bed of the child
                     7 floor; next to child's bed
-------------------------------------------------------
D           1        1 lounge
D1          1        1 entrance to bedroom
D1          1        1 floor; bed next to window
-------------------------------------------------------
F           3        1 lounge                               
                     2 entrance hall
-------------------------------------------------------
G           1        1 lounge                         Matthew Oldfield
I           1        1 entrance hall                  David Payne
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                     1 floor; bed next to window
J           3        1 entrance hall
                     1 floor; next to child's bed
-------------------------------------------------------
K          14        1 Residencia Liliana                     
                    13 vehicle(envlps 1,3,4,5 and 6)
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                     1 spot on bedspread
L           8        1 entrance to bedroom
                     2 entrance hall
                     4 floor; bed next to window
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M          48       13 vehicle (envlps 1,2,3 and 4)
                    35 Residencia Liliana             Robert Murat
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                     2 lounge
                    11 entrance hall
N          24        6 entrance to bedroom            Gerald Mccann
                     2 floor; bed next to window
                     3 floor; next to child's bed
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0           2        1 lounge
                     1 entrance hall                  Russell O'Brien
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Q           2        1 entrance hall
                     1 lounge                               

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[Robittybob1]

Has this paragraph been discussed before for it seems real bizarre: 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

We went over to Gerry and Kate’s apartment I didn’t go in to the apartment.  I can recall it would have been a similar layout to ours, although the furniture and décor was different to ours as the apartments are leased. I didn’t go into the bedroom on this occasion, but I’d imagine that there are wardrobes in there as there are in ours.  When I had been into the apartment on previous occasions it had been dark.

When were the other occasions Russell was in the McCann's apartment in the dark?  He went in there to write up the timeline didn't he?  Surely he had the lights on?
When he says " I didn’t go into the bedroom on this occasion," were there other occasions? Which bedroom is he talking about?
Had Russell visited the McCann's apartment during the days prior to the 3rd?


It appears so.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
 'Jane and I made checks between courses, and would generally alternate the visits, Kate and Gerry did their checks by the clock.  I’m aware that initially we would only check on our own rooms but on occasions we often listened at other apartment doors or windows, and made checks on some visits.
On Sunday I recall I checked Kate and Gerry’s apartment as well as Rachael and Matt’s. I had taken Matt’s keys and I believe that their door was deadlocked the same as ours and that I would have needed to turn the key two times.  We kept our shutters down, and the patio door was closed I am not sure whether theirs was the same.  I recall that Kate and Gerry’s apartment was accessed by the patios door which was left closed and unlocked.  I recall that their front door was accessed from the car-park access was easily gained to the apartment from the poolside.'

"access was easily gained to the apartment from the poolside". Sounds like potential trouble noted br Russell.

[Robittybob1]

I can't see any discussion re those words yet Russell's entire statement is under a cloud

RUSSELL JAMES  O'BRIEN SIGNED  STATEMENT 08/04/08
 
Russell James O’Brien & The lost DVD Interview
Russell James O’Brien was questioned on the 8th of April from 9.55 a.m. until 8.18 p.m., divided into 5 distinct time periods (9.55 – 11.30 a.m., 12.01 – 12.50 a.m., 2.06 – 3.55 p.m., 5.15 – 6.56 p.m., and 7.37 – 8.18 p.m.). Officially, all the video images of this day were rendered useless because the video camera didn’t work… which means that Enderby police wants us to believe that, even during pauses, they never verified if the interrogation was being recorded correctly. This was the official version, the one that was offered to the Portuguese authorities. Nevertheless, the truth of facts is different, and Russell O’Brien was questioned again on the 10th of April; this time the camera worked.

We might have all read preceding explanation but what does this mean "the truth of facts is different".  Were there different facts on different days?  Is that what that means?