When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?

[Robittybob1]

To go to Luzdocs, Smithman had to turn right out of Rua d'Escola on to Rua April 25.

He didn't, he turned left or maybe went straight on.  That is proved in Aoifes statement where she describes Smithman coming towards her on her left side.  In other words Smithman had his back to Luzdoc.  He was walking away from it.


No, you are definitely wrong on this one Rob

I'm not so sure that I'm wrong for we had a thread on this topic and I'm sure we have a PJ photo of where Smithman was seen and it is the very corner where LuzDoc is.  So he might not need to check the door if it is obvious all the lights are off.  John and Pegasus were in agreement from memory.

[Alfie]

The actual abduction would be simple, the number of events which  made it possible rather more implausible.

As to your last sentence the same rules of engagement apply to you.

Not according to the Met.

[Robittybob1]

Not according to the Met.

The debate is between you two, not the Met.

[Alfie]

The debate is between you two, not the Met.

I think there was a window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been taken by a stranger, and the Met happen to agree.  Is that better?

[Robittybob1]

I think there was a window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been taken by a stranger, and the Met happen to agree.  Is that better?

Russel comes back and Janes goes back up to their apartment, so there is not much opportunity close to 10:00 PM, but Matt leaves the McCann's apartment 9:30 or so, which would mean there is opportunity window from 9:30 - 9:45 PM I guess.  Is that the window you are looking at?

[Alfie]

Russel comes back and Janes goes back up to their apartment, so there is not much opportunity close to 10:00 PM, but Matt leaves the McCann's apartment 9:30 or so, which would mean there is opportunity window from 9:30 - 9:45 PM I guess.  Is the window you are looking at?

15 minutes is a big window, but sure let's stick with that for now.

[jassi]

Russel comes back and Janes goes back up to their apartment, so there is not much opportunity close to 10:00 PM, but Matt leaves the McCann's apartment 9:30 or so, which would mean there is opportunity window from 9:30 - 9:45 PM I guess.  Is the window you are looking at?

Less than that, probably, as Jane has to flip-flop her way back up to her apartment before ROB can return for his rapidly cooling steak, and that is after Matt has returned from his check. If he left to check at 9.30, it would be 9.35 ish before he returned and before Jane can set off.

[Robittybob1]

Less than that, probably, as Jane has to flip-flop her way back up to her apartment before ROB can return for his rapidly cooling steak, and that is after Matt has returned from his check. If he left to check at 9.30, it would be 9.35 ish before he returned and before Jane can set off.

On the Tapas 9  agreed timeline Matt and Russell do their check at 9:25 PM.  so don't delay the start time to 9:30 or any other time.

[Alfie]

Here's a challenge for you Robbity - to create 15 different plans of the OC one for each of the minutes between 9.30 and 9.45 pm mapping the relative positions of each of the 9 Tapas group as we can best guess them from the statements.  That should help identify the actual window.   

[jassi]

On the Tapas 9  agreed timeline Matt and Russell do their check at 9:25 PM.  so don't delay the start time to 9:30 or any other time.

Very precise, that 9.25, for a group who seemed to have no real idea of time throughout the evening.

[Mr Gray]

I would say there is proof on the balance of probabilities and beyond reasonable doubt that an abduction took place
The problem is that some posters on here use the word proof and don't understand what it means

[Robittybob1]

Here's a challenge for you Robbity - to create 15 different plans of the OC one for each of the minutes between 9.30 and 9.45 pm mapping the relative positions of each of the 9 Tapas group as we can best guess them from the statements.  That should help identify the actual window. 

There isn't enough information to do that.  But you can say who we know was up and around 5A.

Very precise, that 9.25, for a group who seemed to have no real idea of time throughout the evening.

It is possible for it has quite a lot of agreement.

[Alfie]

There isn't enough information to do that.  But you can say who we know was up and around 5A.
It is possible for it has quite a lot of agreement.

I think you could have a good stab at it.  I'd have a go but I don't have either the time or the computer expertise necessary to create 15 separate plans and post each one on this forum. 

[Robittybob1]

I think you could have a good stab at it.  I'd have a go but I don't have either the time or the computer expertise necessary to create 15 separate plans and post each one on this forum.

I'll look into it, but I have already considered it and there isn't enough observations to know what people were doing.
I think HiDeHo has completed something like this.  I'll see if I can find it. It would take a month or so to complete.

[Brietta]

I would say there is proof on the balance of probabilities and beyond reasonable doubt that an abduction took place
The problem is that some posters on here use the word proof and don't understand what it means

There is certainly proof of absence.  There is no proof of anything else.

Therefore I agree with you that the balance of probabilities leaving no room for reasonable doubt is that an abduction took place.

I would go further and say that since there is no proof of her death, it is to be hoped that Madeleine is alive.