Author Topic: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?  (Read 69009 times)

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Offline jassi

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #405 on: December 18, 2016, 04:53:16 PM »
There is certainly proof of absence.  There is no proof of anything else.

Therefore I agree with you that the balance of probabilities leaving no room for reasonable doubt is that an abduction took place.

I would go further and say that since there is no proof of her death, it is to be hoped that Madeleine is alive.

That would depend very much on why she was taken.
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Or maybe not -

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #406 on: December 18, 2016, 05:07:36 PM »
There is certainly proof of absence.  There is no proof of anything else.

Therefore I agree with you that the balance of probabilities leaving no room for reasonable doubt is that an abduction took place.

I would go further and say that since there is no proof of her death, it is to be hoped that Madeleine is alive.

Could you tell me what you mean by proof
No one apart from me is willing to define what they mean

Offline John

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #407 on: December 18, 2016, 05:44:16 PM »
There is certainly proof of absence.  There is no proof of anything else.

Therefore I agree with you that the balance of probabilities leaving no room for reasonable doubt is that an abduction took place.

I would go further and say that since there is no proof of her death, it is to be hoped that Madeleine is alive.

I don't agree Brietta, there is as much a possibility of her having woken up and wandered and met with some misfortune or other as there is of any abduction.  A independently uncorroborated claim of an opened shutter and window is not proof of an abduction.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #408 on: December 18, 2016, 05:51:48 PM »
I don't agree Brietta, there is as much a possibility of her having woken up and wandered and met with some misfortune or other as there is of any abduction.  A independently uncorroborated claim of an opened shutter and window is not proof of an abduction.

It evidence leading to proof on the balance of probabilities John
And you are another one using the word proof without thinking what you mean

Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #409 on: December 18, 2016, 05:57:05 PM »
I don't agree Brietta, there is as much a possibility of her having woken up and wandered and met with some misfortune or other as there is of any abduction.  A independently uncorroborated claim of an opened shutter and window is not proof of an abduction.

Quite simply John
If the McCanns are telling the truth the window was open and Maddie was abducted

ferryman

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #410 on: December 18, 2016, 05:58:17 PM »
I don't agree Brietta, there is as much a possibility of her having woken up and wandered and met with some misfortune or other as there is of any abduction.  A independently uncorroborated claim of an opened shutter and window is not proof of an abduction.

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As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #411 on: December 18, 2016, 06:03:50 PM »
I would say there is proof on the balance of probabilities and beyond reasonable doubt that an abduction took place
The problem is that some posters on here use the word proof and don't understand what it means

Is that statement based on the English Civil Law "Balance of Probabilities" ?
Even so it is a requirement that evidence must be weighed; so on what evidence do you base your opinion?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #412 on: December 18, 2016, 06:07:58 PM »
Is that statement based on the English Civil Law "Balance of Probabilities" ?
Even so it is a requirement that evidence must be weighed; so on what evidence do you base your opinion?

I've already laid out in detail the evidence
The fact is that other posters are using the term proof to mean absolute proof which is an impossible level to prove and is not required even in courts

Offline jassi

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #413 on: December 18, 2016, 06:09:04 PM »
In this case, the probability is not a mathematical one, but is based on opinion. This opinion may be correct or incorrect, we have no way of knowing.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline jassi

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #414 on: December 18, 2016, 06:10:12 PM »
Quite simply John
If the McCanns are telling the truth the window was open and Maddie was abducted


And if they are not ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #415 on: December 18, 2016, 06:17:48 PM »

And if they are not ?
at last a decent question...

after 10 yrs there has not been sufficient evidence found to even arrest the mccanns.....that would suggest...on the balance of probabilities they are innocent.

colin stagg was arrested ...charged and tried on evidence found against him yet was completely innocent


Offline jassi

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #416 on: December 18, 2016, 06:23:49 PM »
To be fair, there hasn't been enough evidence to arrest anyone. It's not just about the McCann's guilt or innocence.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #417 on: December 18, 2016, 06:25:23 PM »
To be fair, there hasn't been enough evidence to arrest anyone. It's not just about the McCann's guilt or innocence.

The McCanns' innocence is beyond all dispute.

Offline jassi

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #418 on: December 18, 2016, 06:27:30 PM »
Many think otherwise. 
As no one will be brought to trial, let  alone convicted this will never be satisfactorily resolved .  IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #419 on: December 18, 2016, 06:29:03 PM »
To be fair, there hasn't been enough evidence to arrest anyone. It's not just about the McCann's guilt or innocence.

that isnt fair....the fact there is no real evidence against the mccans suggest on the balance of probabilitites they are innocent