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Offline John

Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« on: December 14, 2016, 12:49:14 AM »
The following theory was posted on blue so I thought it worth bringing across even if only to demonstrate the stupidity of Bamber supporters.  On second thought it could have been written by a five-year-old?

" After Sheila fires several rounds at the twins, Neville realises he cannot handle the situation and proceeds to call for assistance (Jeremy and Police) from the kitchen phone. While Neville is on the phone June is in bed awake, but too afraid of what is happening to get out. Sheila then goes to the gun cupboard to reload the weapon. Once reloaded she goes back upstairs to the main bedroom and fires a volley of bullets at June. The sound of gunshots and June screaming prompts Neville to leave the phone and run towards the stairs. While Neville is rushing up the stairs, Sheila is in the main bedroom close to the hallway and fires the remaining four bullets in the magazine at Neville. Neville then retreats back towards the kitchen badly injured he staggers across the kitchen then collapses were his body was found. Sheila then goes back to the gun cupboard to reload for the final time. Finds Neville injured and slumped near the cooker, then fires the three more shots to Nevilles head. Then she makes her way back upstairs to fire the remaining two shots to Junes head. Then finally turns the gun on herself as the police are about the break the door down. "

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7966.msg377886.html#msg377886
« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 12:53:16 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 06:24:52 AM »
It's this kind of crapola, along with some mysterious significance of stained knickers soaking in a bucket which is being supported by deluded antipodeans over at IA.  Better not let Dave see the above or he'll be rifling through your old posts from blue to copy and paste.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline APRIL

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2016, 09:22:20 AM »
It's this kind of crapola, along with some mysterious significance of stained knickers soaking in a bucket which is being supported by deluded antipodeans over at IA.  Better not let Dave see the above or he'll be rifling through your old posts from blue to copy and paste.

From the way they can't leave it alone, I think it possible that the DA's at IA may have a thing for 'used' knickers. I see nefarious diggings into peoples 'pasts' via their posts as something very close to rifling through their underwear, ie  obsessional and distasteful..........................a bit like having a thing for 'used' knickers, I suppose.

PS. I fully understand if it's felt necessary to remove the above.

Offline Mendoza

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 09:29:15 PM »
The following theory was posted on blue so I thought it worth bringing across even if only to demonstrate the stupidity of Bamber supporters.  On second thought it could have been written by a five-year-old?

" After Sheila fires several rounds at the twins, Neville realises he cannot handle the situation and proceeds to call for assistance (Jeremy and Police) from the kitchen phone. While Neville is on the phone June is in bed awake, but too afraid of what is happening to get out. Sheila then goes to the gun cupboard to reload the weapon. Once reloaded she goes back upstairs to the main bedroom and fires a volley of bullets at June. The sound of gunshots and June screaming prompts Neville to leave the phone and run towards the stairs. While Neville is rushing up the stairs, Sheila is in the main bedroom close to the hallway and fires the remaining four bullets in the magazine at Neville. Neville then retreats back towards the kitchen badly injured he staggers across the kitchen then collapses were his body was found. Sheila then goes back to the gun cupboard to reload for the final time. Finds Neville injured and slumped near the cooker, then fires the three more shots to Nevilles head. Then she makes her way back upstairs to fire the remaining two shots to Junes head. Then finally turns the gun on herself as the police are about the break the door down. "

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7966.msg377886.html#msg377886

I think this was written by a "guilter" to demonstrate how unlikely it would have been for Sheila to have murdered the family. @)(++(*

Offline adam

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 06:04:40 AM »
David will be the first to admit he made up this scenario on the spur of the moment. After I said no one can explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Which is why he then didn't address any of my 15 obstacles afterwards,  except to finally say Nevill did not phone the police. I can't believe this is the detailed scenario he said he was going to supply last  year.

The scenario received no support from fellow supporters, with no one else disputing my obstacles. I did ask a few people if they believed Nevill would choose to phone Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins, no one said they believed Nevill would.

It is good that a scenario was created, as supporters often won't get involved in discussing how Sheila comitted the massacre.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2016, 09:39:43 AM by adam »

Offline Angelo222

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2016, 11:54:43 AM »
David will be the first to admit he made up this scenario on the spur of the moment. After I said no one can explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Which is why he then didn't address any of my 15 obstacles afterwards,  except to finally say Nevill did not phone the police. I can't believe this is the detailed scenario he said he was going to supply last  year.

The scenario received no support from fellow supporters, with no one else disputing my obstacles. I did ask a few people if they believed Nevill would choose to phone Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins, no one said they believed Nevill would.

It is good that a scenario was created, as supporters often won't get involved in discussing how Sheila comitted the massacre.

The Jeremy Bamber forum is a sham if the truth be known, most people who openly challenge their ridiculous claims are blocked from posting which says it all.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Samson

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2017, 02:57:10 PM »
From the way they can't leave it alone, I think it possible that the DA's at IA may have a thing for 'used' knickers. I see nefarious diggings into peoples 'pasts' via their posts as something very close to rifling through their underwear, ie  obsessional and distasteful..........................a bit like having a thing for 'used' knickers, I suppose.

PS. I fully understand if it's felt necessary to remove the above.
April, rifling through old posts is done all the time by some. I do it to try to figure the best angles to persuade people of the logic and science. It is a great way to gain case knowledge, and is exactly the back catalogue researchers can learn from. I post to persuade, and really like the idea of people checking what I composed, why post otherwise?

The great thing about the bloody knickers is they explain everything.
This way.
1. Sheila's period started after she went to bed or she would have had a tampon in place.
True or false?
2. The bloody knickers were therefore placed in the bucket in the kitchen some time after she went to bed, say 3 am.
True or false?
3. This creates a minor noise, disturbance that Nevill hears and comes down stairs, thinking there may be an intruder, or just wants to check on the troubled Sheila.
Likely or unlikely?

You see, we now have June asleep upstairs, Sheila by the gun and Nevill by the phone.
It all fits, then she goes upstairs and shoots sleeping June, Nevill drops the phone he has called Jeremy with, he heads upstairs and she shoots him with downward trajectory in the mouth, he turns to flee and she shoots him twice in the left arm disabling him. The gun is empty, she swings the butt end by the barrel, and she reloads and finishes him off. No blood, no self damage, NO FIGHT NO SCRATCHED MANTLE PIECE NO SILENCER. That all came later when the relatives realised Jeremy had the upper hand.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2017, 03:00:40 PM by Samson »

Offline John

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2017, 12:48:32 AM »
April, rifling through old posts is done all the time by some. I do it to try to figure the best angles to persuade people of the logic and science. It is a great way to gain case knowledge, and is exactly the back catalogue researchers can learn from. I post to persuade, and really like the idea of people checking what I composed, why post otherwise?

The great thing about the bloody knickers is they explain everything.
This way.
1. Sheila's period started after she went to bed or she would have had a tampon in place.
True or false?
2. The bloody knickers were therefore placed in the bucket in the kitchen some time after she went to bed, say 3 am.
True or false?
3. This creates a minor noise, disturbance that Nevill hears and comes down stairs, thinking there may be an intruder, or just wants to check on the troubled Sheila.
Likely or unlikely?

You see, we now have June asleep upstairs, Sheila by the gun and Nevill by the phone.
It all fits, then she goes upstairs and shoots sleeping June, Nevill drops the phone he has called Jeremy with, he heads upstairs and she shoots him with downward trajectory in the mouth, he turns to flee and she shoots him twice in the left arm disabling him. The gun is empty, she swings the butt end by the barrel, and she reloads and finishes him off. No blood, no self damage, NO FIGHT NO SCRATCHED MANTLE PIECE NO SILENCER. That all came later when the relatives realised Jeremy had the upper hand.

Just one teensy weensy problem with that scenario, Jeremy never claimed to have heard any shots.  And secondly, the phone wasn't just left dangling, Jeremy claimed it went dead and the only way that could have occurred was if someone cancelled the call.

So none of it adds up to anything.  The Sheila dun it story is just that, a fictional story invented by Jeremy Bamber because he knows that the only way he will ever get anywhere in this case is to pin the blame on Sheila Caffell.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 12:52:03 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Caroline

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2017, 09:19:21 PM »
Just one teensy weensy problem with that scenario, Jeremy never claimed to have heard any shots.  And secondly, the phone wasn't just left dangling, Jeremy claimed it went dead and the only way that could have occurred was if someone cancelled the call.

So none of it adds up to anything.  The Sheila dun it story is just that, a fictional story invented by Jeremy Bamber because he knows that the only way he will ever get anywhere in this case is to pin the blame on Sheila Caffell.

Exactly John, and just how did Sheila manage to load the rifle without being seen?

Offline Samson

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 01:48:42 AM »
Exactly John, and just how did Sheila manage to load the rifle without being seen?
He left the gun loaded, with no bullet in breech. Probably 9 bullets in magazine, 5 for June in the bed and four for Nevill on the stairs.
This is what everyone seems to agree on Caroline.
I would be interested to see the evidence that contradicts this, it would change my narrative, but not the murder suicide by Sheila

Offline Caroline

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 11:07:30 AM »
He left the gun loaded, with no bullet in breech. Probably 9 bullets in magazine, 5 for June in the bed and four for Nevill on the stairs.
This is what everyone seems to agree on Caroline.
I would be interested to see the evidence that contradicts this, it would change my narrative, but not the murder suicide by Sheila

He didn't leave the gun loaded at all, he left the magazine loaded but 'detached' from the rifle. He said he left the magazine on the settle and the gun standing next to the Wellington boots after removing the bullet from the breach. Sheila would have to locate both the rile and the magazine, she would have to know how to attach the magazine to the rifle and know that she had to chamber the first shot. She did all of this in full view of Neville while in the throws of psychosis? (Even though she was sedated on anti-psychotic medication!).


Offline John

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 12:22:12 PM »
He didn't leave the gun loaded at all, he left the magazine loaded but 'detached' from the rifle. He said he left the magazine on the settle and the gun standing next to the Wellington boots after removing the bullet from the breach. Sheila would have to locate both the rile and the magazine, she would have to know how to attach the magazine to the rifle and know that she had to chamber the first shot. She did all of this in full view of Neville while in the throws of psychosis? (Even though she was sedated on anti-psychotic medication!).

Didn't he change his story slightly wrt where he left the rifle and magazine?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Caroline

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2017, 01:05:35 PM »
Didn't he change his story slightly wrt where he left the rifle and magazine?

This was the one he stuck to. Some officers stated that he initially told them it was on the table. This is his second statement stating the same thing.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 01:08:02 PM by Caroline »

Offline adam

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2017, 10:27:37 AM »
He didn't leave the gun loaded at all, he left the magazine loaded but 'detached' from the rifle. He said he left the magazine on the settle and the gun standing next to the Wellington boots after removing the bullet from the breach. Sheila would have to locate both the rile and the magazine, she would have to know how to attach the magazine to the rifle and know that she had to chamber the first shot. She did all of this in full view of Neville while in the throws of psychosis? (Even though she was sedated on anti-psychotic medication!).

Breach, cartridge, magazine, chamber.

I doubt Sheila would have known how to fill up a water pistel for her sons.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 10:34:50 AM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Another fairy tale as to how Sheila dun it.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2017, 04:05:33 PM »
The following theory was posted on blue so I thought it worth bringing across even if only to demonstrate the stupidity of Bamber supporters.  On second thought it could have been written by a five-year-old?

" After Sheila fires several rounds at the twins, Neville realises he cannot handle the situation and proceeds to call for assistance (Jeremy and Police) from the kitchen phone. While Neville is on the phone June is in bed awake, but too afraid of what is happening to get out. Sheila then goes to the gun cupboard to reload the weapon. Once reloaded she goes back upstairs to the main bedroom and fires a volley of bullets at June. The sound of gunshots and June screaming prompts Neville to leave the phone and run towards the stairs. While Neville is rushing up the stairs, Sheila is in the main bedroom close to the hallway and fires the remaining four bullets in the magazine at Neville. Neville then retreats back towards the kitchen badly injured he staggers across the kitchen then collapses were his body was found. Sheila then goes back to the gun cupboard to reload for the final time. Finds Neville injured and slumped near the cooker, then fires the three more shots to Nevilles head. Then she makes her way back upstairs to fire the remaining two shots to Junes head. Then finally turns the gun on herself as the police are about the break the door down. "

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7966.msg377886.html#msg377886

The above doesn't sound remotely plausible.  However I can't reconcile the physical evidence of bloodstaining, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks with JB carrying out the shootings.

It seems clear to me that NB and SC were downstairs.  NB phoned JB.  Meanwhile SC goes upstairs and shoots June *5 or 6 times.  NB races upstairs and as he approaches the bedroom door he is stood on the landing stairs putting SC in an elevated position at the bedroom door which accounts for the downward trajectories of NB's lip and jaw gsw's.  NB then turns and is positioned on the main stairs facing down towards the hall when SC repositions herself either on the winder stairs or main stairs and fires down hitting the rear of NB's shoulder and elbow/chest which again accounts for the downward trajectories to the rear of his body. 

Once NB and SC are in the kitchen poor NB is so badly injured he is unable to put up any sort of resistance and is beaten with the rifle and then sustains the four gsw's to the head.

June staggers around the bed clutching the bible but drops it pretty much where it was found.  She manages to stagger back to the corner of the bed near the door where she sustains the two fatal gsw's to her head. 

After the twins are shot SC enters the main bedroom via the box room and takes her own life.  When she enters the main bedroom she inadvertently moves the bible with the door causing the mirror staining.

I think it was all over very quickly and more than likely before the police and JB arrived.

No phone call from NB to EP
No burning backs
No EP talking to someone within the farmhouse
No suicide notes
No second body seen in the kitchen
No bodies moving
No police shooting SC

*  Dr Vanezis' trial testimony states that June probably sustained a 6th non-fatal gsw - a graze across her chest.  This would then account for the 8th casing around her side of the bed and a further exited bullet in the bedroom - DRH/5.

If anyone disagrees can they please provide a complete reconstruction that fits with the physical evidence.  Thanks.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 08:04:05 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?