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Offline Robittybob1

Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« on: December 16, 2016, 12:46:04 AM »
In the timeline "TIME LINE THEORY"

There is mention of a car parked outside the McCann's.  What is known about it?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm
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M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment; 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 01:06:29 AM »
I now see this topic was discussed on the forum in 2014 http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5581.msg199121#msg199121
Maria da Silva sighted the car.

Previous thread had a different title Look what it was "Was there a vehicle in the car park outside Madeleine's bedroom window?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 01:06:59 AM »
In the timeline "TIME LINE THEORY"

There is mention of a car parked outside the McCann's.  What is known about it?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm
she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark

no people about - time 9.58pm

a small car, possibly grey, near the window of 5A.

Now what was the date of her statement?
What's up, old man?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 01:12:42 AM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm  Now that was the name of the girl that was on the YT video with a completely different account of the night once she had been dismissed.  It caused quite a stir on here when it was published. 
The date of her statement "DOMESTIC 08 MAY 07"
Which window is she meaning the side window onto the street?  Surely she is not talking about the Kid's bedroom window would she?

I have a feeling all she said should be discounted as unreliable.
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Offline misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 01:16:51 AM »
Hope this helps   http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118 @51secs

Small grey car still in situ on 4/5/2007. I think it was still there when Mrs Fenn was interviewed on camera in August 2007.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 01:20:05 AM »
Where is Madeleine's bedroom window in this photo?

The crimescene tape is high enough to drive under it.  Car in photo Misty showed us but it isn't in this one.  So it is coming and going from the crime scene.  Is it a police  car?
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Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 01:24:33 AM »
Hope this helps   http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118 @51secs

Small grey car still in situ on 4/5/2007. I think it was still there when Mrs Fenn was interviewed on camera in August 2007.
What did it belong to one of the tenants of OC Gardens?
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Offline misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 01:30:15 AM »
Where is Madeleine's bedroom window in this photo?

The crimescene tape is high enough to drive under it.  Car in photo Misty showed us but it isn't in this one.  So it is coming and going from the crime scene.  Is it a police  car?

Madeleine's bedroom window is bottom left. The clue is it is covered in red disclosing dust.

Offline misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 01:33:31 AM »
What did it belonged to one of the tenants of OC Gardens?

I think so. Pegasus worked out who it belonged to but was never forthcoming with the name of its owner.

Offline sadie

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 02:08:30 AM »
Madeleine's bedroom window is bottom left. The clue is it is covered in red disclosing dust.

Yep, and as you can see, even in the daylight the front door isn't visible from the entrance to the parking lot in front of block 5.

It is hidden around the corner in a recess to the left of Madeleines bedroom.

Where is Madeleine's bedroom window in this photo?



The crimescene tape is high enough to drive under it.  Car in photo Misty showed us but it isn't in this one.  So it is coming and going from the crime scene.  Is it a police  car?


The wall that you see running close to the building encloses the walkway to the front doors of all the apartments.  To access ANY of those front doors, one has to walk across the car park going well off the photo to the right.  The open end (entrance) of the walkway that everyone must initially go in by, is in the middle of the building.  At night that is well lit. In contrast the front door to 5A was almost in almost complete blackness, and is not only around the corner out of sight BUT is further recessed

It is the last front door and no-one passed by as it is a dead end.


Furthermore immediately opposite 5A across the street, Rua dr Francisco G M., is the balcony where I think someone was looking out, watching the comings and goings.     Someone who signalled the all clear with a fine beamed pencil torch, or even by flicking his lighter on to the actual abductor, Tannerman.  IMO, Tannerman + lifter were very probably outside the apartment hiding in the trees watching for the go ahead signal.   

This balcony is less than 18 metres from the trees and front door area of 5A.  In 2007 there used to be a gap in the trees of about a metre or so by the front door area ... just right for a narrow beam of light to come thru.

Immediately the signal (as Gerry left via the bottom gate and went towards the restaurant,) they opened the front door using a key.  The lifter went in, did the lifting and drugging, walked out ... passed Madeleine to Tannerman and left, probably to return to the Staff quarters on Rua D'Escola.

Meanwhile Tannerman with Madeleine paused a while in the dark of the trees, then when the getaway car didn't appear immediately, he started walking to Jane Tanner Corner ... and was shocked to see JT there.  He carried on walking keeping his head turned a little away from Jane.

Meanwhile the pick up watcher / driver had taken fright and scarpered in the vehicle down Rua Dr Francisco G M. leaving Tannerman literally holding- the- baby


Only my thoughts, BUT it all fits in very easily.  Even to the fag ends found on the balcony and to Gerry thinking they stood on the east side of the road.  What made them retreat to the west side of the road ?

Was it the pick up van looking as tho it was coming up the road ... so they had to get off the roadway ?



Dunno, but it all fits perfectly ... and other things too, not yet mentioned


Personally I dont think the grey car had anything to do with it.

The staff member Rob mentioned would not be able to seea grey car in the parking lot of block 5 as they drove out of block 6.  The wall is far too high.   As they drove round the corner past 5A, the wall was still pretty high and that end of the car park was in near darkness because of the heads of the trees, i believe,   In order to see any car she would have had to look into the blackness at right angles to the way they were moving.

Most people look in the direction of light and in the way that they are moving. They dont sight- see after dark, as a rule, if there is almost no light.

I think that grey car must either have been in the next block along [block ?4]
OR
parked in Rua Dr Francisco G M. opposite the exit from block 6 car park ... as you suggested, Rob

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 02:44:26 AM »
I think so. Pegasus worked out who it belonged to but was never forthcoming with the name of its owner.
Do you think it is the same car that was seen on the Thursday night?  It seems to be coming and going from the crime scene cordoned off area.  So one would think it was either the police's transport or a tenant.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 03:59:06 AM »
There were 2 cars in the block 5 carpark that night, all IMO
1. a small grey car, I posted a photo of it the next morning, still in exactly the same position as the witnesses driving past at 10pm had seen it in. It did not move, it is irrelevant.
2. a larger white car (Mrs F's), parked almost certainly nearer the north wall of the carpark and so less visible to the witnesses driving by at 10pm, also this did not move, and is irrelevant.
There is nothing suspicious about people parking their cars in their own car park.
This still would not have eliminated that particular car being used at some time during the night as part of the MM missing incident.
It would only be confirmed that the vehicle hadn't been used if the was continuous CCTV footage available for rechecking.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2016, 04:07:02 AM »
Easily solved misty but irrelevant. If a car was involved that night (I don't think any car was involved that night) you would be looking for one that drove away, and neither of these two cars did.
Once again Pegasus jumps the gun:
1.  "(I don't think any car was involved that night)" How would he know that?
2.  "you would be looking for one that drove away, and neither of these two cars did."  There was nothing stopping these cars driving away and returning later.  One post by PF (below) said no one reported seeing a car in the car park yet seen earlier and it is back in the morning! 
He is talking about cars parked on the road near to the pathway/side gate. He needs to provide an exact time because Matt, Russ, Jez etc. didn't see any cars parked there.

And again Pegasus makes a remark that is prejudicial:

As there was a small grey car in that spot next morning, I think the witness remembered accurately.

And you tell me how anyone would have known this:
The small car is there in carpark next to 5A door and window in video which was filmed morning 4th at about 10.15am.
Is this the fingerprinting video rather than Mrs Fenn I presume or am I wrong?  Surely Mrs Fenn wasn't interviewed the day after.

What a strange assertion to make:
Sadie if you researched it further I think you would find that it was there evening 3rd and morning 4th and did not move, and the frontera witness did see it there.
Would you like to see video of the car at about 10.15am 4th?

Who could have possibly have known it was also there on the evening of the 3rd?  When is it evening as opposed to night?

And the mystery deepens:
Think I probably solved that but not saying because IMO the car is not relevant.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2016, 04:39:38 AM »
Hope this helps   http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118 @51secs

Small grey car still in situ on 4/5/2007. I think it was still there when Mrs Fenn was interviewed on camera in August 2007.

Was this video of the PJ doing the fingerprinting discussed in the previous thread on the topic?  Pegasus talks of a video on the 4th was it this one?  Yet there didn't seem to be any link to it on the previous thread (did I miss it?).

Do you know what video he was talking about"
Quote from: pegasus on November 18, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
"The small car is there in carpark next to 5A door and window in video which was filmed morning 4th at about 10.15am."

the first reference to that footage was in 2015
4 May shutters forensics

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2016, 05:21:52 PM »
@ Misty - Do you know what video he was talking about"
Quote from: pegasus on November 18, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
"The small car is there in carpark next to 5A door and window in video which was filmed morning 4th at about 10.15am."
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