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Online misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2016, 11:31:23 PM »
@ Misty - Do you know what video he was talking about"
Quote from: pegasus on November 18, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
"The small car is there in carpark next to 5A door and window in video which was filmed morning 4th at about 10.15am."

The part of the video I linked to is the filming done on the morning of the 4th and I believe it is the same one to which Pegasus referred. Later in the day I think the car had been moved.
You can see the same vehicle here @30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM filmed in August 2007.

Offline sadie

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2016, 11:34:03 PM »
@ Misty - Do you know what video he was talking about"
Quote from: pegasus on November 18, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
"The small car is there in carpark next to 5A door and window in video which was filmed morning 4th at about 10.15am."
I notice my post above has been ignored.

I know that a person in a car leaving block 6 carpark would not be able to see a car parked in front of 5A.  The wall is far too high.

It only decreases sufficiently in height as the car travels around the corner and draws more or less level with Madeleines bedroom, so  the passenger would be needing to be looking absolutely to the left side (at least 90o to the way the car was moving).  The area was very near black because the street lamps were up in the heads of the trees.  You can check this on GE street scene.

People do not usually peer sideways into the darkness, unless there is something brightly illuminated or very interesting going on ... and there was nothing at that point.   They normally look in the direction the headlights are pointing and illuminating.

I think this young lady was mistaken about the position of the grey car ... maybe it was outside the first apartment in the next block [block ?4] ... or maybe she saw a grey car there the next day? 

Had she been travelling in an eastern direction rather than the western direction despite the darkness in that area of the car park, she would not have had to twist her head round 90o and the sighting of a car there is much more feasible


.... but WHY would she remember such an insignificant thing?


Offline sadie

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2016, 11:37:31 PM »
The part of the video I linked to is the filming done on the morning of the 4th and I believe it is the same one to which Pegasus referred. Later in the day I think the car had been moved.
You can see the same vehicle here @30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM filmed in August 2007.
And that's another thing, from the video above.  Why didn't she see Mrs Fenns car which was white and bigger?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2016, 11:46:58 PM »
I notice my post above has been ignored.

....


.... but WHY would she remember such an insignificant thing?
She might have known that car and driver.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2016, 11:52:06 PM »
The part of the video I linked to is the filming done on the morning of the 4th and I believe it is the same one to which Pegasus referred. Later in the day I think the car had been moved.
You can see the same vehicle here @30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM filmed in August 2007.
In the Fenn video you can't make out the number plate.  In the outside video just about make out the number plate
0144 25 as a partial number  The "25" part which looks quite dark doesn't show up in the Fenn video.  What makes you certain they are definitely the same car and not just some strange coincidence?
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Online misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2016, 12:15:44 AM »
In the Fenn video you can't make out the number plate.  In the outside video just about make out the number plate
0144 25 as a partial number  The "25" part which looks quite dark doesn't show up in the Fenn video.  What makes you certain they are definitely the same car and not just some strange coincidence?

The shape of the tailgate, the position of the lights and the curious fact it was parked in exactly the same spot.
 The visible reg plate appears to be a Portuguese number. When I have the time I will wade through the car rental sheets to see if the number is listed there. Otherwise it may belong to a resident on the floor two above Mrs Fenn.

Offline Brietta

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2016, 12:22:51 AM »
The shape of the tailgate, the position of the lights and the curious fact it was parked in exactly the same spot.
 The visible reg plate appears to be a Portuguese number. When I have the time I will wade through the car rental sheets to see if the number is listed there. Otherwise it may belong to a resident on the floor two above Mrs Fenn.

I've wondered about who occupied those residences and if they gave a statement at any time.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2016, 12:31:48 AM »
I've wondered about who occupied those residences and if they gave a statement at any time.

G Unit posted an aerial Alamy stock photo of Block 5 earlier today on another thread. I wonder when the picture was taken, as it clearly shows occupation of the apartment above the Moyse's.
I think there are an awful lot of statements from local residents not in the files.

Offline sadie

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2016, 01:13:47 AM »
She might have known that car and driver.
Why would she even turn her head backwards to look in that direction .... in that dark direction?

Doesn't mkae sense.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2016, 03:02:05 AM »
The shape of the tailgate, the position of the lights and the curious fact it was parked in exactly the same spot.
 The visible reg plate appears to be a Portuguese number. When I have the time I will wade through the car rental sheets to see if the number is listed there. Otherwise it may belong to a resident on the floor two above Mrs Fenn.
It certainly seems to be a similar model, and for the reasons you propose it would be difficult to say it wasn't the same car, but it ended up just being no dark patch at the end of the number plate but there could be other reasons for that.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2016, 03:45:32 PM »
G Unit posted an aerial Alamy stock photo of Block 5 earlier today on another thread. I wonder when the picture was taken, as it clearly shows occupation of the apartment above the Moyse's.
I think there are an awful lot of statements from local residents not in the files.

I think there are no statements in the files for the simple reason no-one bothered to take any. 

There seems to have been no systematic approach.  Some residents were interviewed at their homes but starting with those closest and working out doesn't appear to have been the method employed.
I don't believe either Mr or Mrs Moyes were asked for one and Mrs Fenn didn't give one until 20th August.

It seems particularly odd that only the dogs were interested in why and who left the fridge in 5J open?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2016, 04:01:04 PM »
I think there are no statements in the files for the simple reason no-one bothered to take any. 

There seems to have been no systematic approach.  Some residents were interviewed at their homes but starting with those closest and working out doesn't appear to have been the method employed.
I don't believe either Mr or Mrs Moyes were asked for one and Mrs Fenn didn't give one until 20th August.

It seems particularly odd that only the dogs were interested in why and who left the fridge in 5J open?
Bacon sandwiches again I suppose.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2016, 03:01:38 AM »
I have just seen a report of a car leaving the area.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken

"The same witness who saw the ­mystery woman also saw a gold or brown Nissan car driving erratically past the woman.

Despite appeals neither the woman nor the driver of the car has come forward.

Was this Nissan the getaway car and was its driver conducting a dry run at this very time? Again, I think so."

It could be that a grey car seen in the above photos under the orangey street lights  at night could be described as "gold or brown".
Does anyone recognise the model, could it be a Nissan?
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118 @51secs
You can see the same vehicle here @30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM filmed in August 2007.

Could either of those images be of a Nissan?  Could it be a Nissan Micra?
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Online misty

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2016, 10:35:07 PM »
I have just seen a report of a car leaving the area.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken

"The same witness who saw the ­mystery woman also saw a gold or brown Nissan car driving erratically past the woman.

Despite appeals neither the woman nor the driver of the car has come forward.

Was this Nissan the getaway car and was its driver conducting a dry run at this very time? Again, I think so."

It could be that a grey car seen in the above photos under the orangey street lights  at night could be described as "gold or brown".
Does anyone recognise the model, could it be a Nissan?
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-around-the-ocean-club-apartments-in-pria-news-footage/487715118 @51secs
You can see the same vehicle here @30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM filmed in August 2007.

Could either of those images be of a Nissan?  Could it be a Nissan Micra?

I think the grey car may be a Fiat but I'm not 100% sure.
The matter of the woman in the purple top & the speeding car was discussed here.   http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6300.45

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Car parked outside the McCann's apartment
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2016, 11:06:51 PM »
I have had my friend look at the image and without being prompted she said Nissan Micra.
All the Fiat had different shaped tail lights.

  in the Gold colour.

or
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