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Offline John

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2017, 12:56:29 PM »
Yes, I let the evidence lead me into how Bamber committed the massacre. Everything Bamber did is backed up by the crime scene evidence.

All Sheila scenarios have a lot of different and personalised very unlikely visions of different incidents happening. These have no evidence to back it up.

Such as Nevill & Sheila had a 3am conversation about fostering , and Nevill let Sheila load the rifle and go upstairs with it, while he rang Bamber. There is no evidence this happened. However these visions need to be included to complete a breakdown of how Sheila did it.

Absolutely, the CCRC will never entertain such rubbish ever.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline adam

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2017, 07:22:36 PM »
As Grisson in CSI says, follow the evidence.

There won't be any blanks which need to be filled in with visions on what may have been said.

Offline John

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2017, 08:13:50 PM »
I have made many challenges to Bamber supporters over the years to prove their claims but as yet none has been able to do so.  Not really surprising given what we know.

I destroyed every single conspiracy theory Mike Tesko ever came up with, not surprising he banned me from his idiotic forum.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Angelo222

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2017, 12:50:19 PM »
I have often said Sheila may slept through it all. The twins didn't wake,  although as mentioned there was a slim chance they were shot first.

There was minimal upstairs noise. Bamber crept upstairs  June was shot several times, once in the throat and instantly negated/killed. Nevill ran straight downstairs while being shot. The rifle had a silencer on.

The kitchen fight was downstairs and was violent but quick.  Sheila upstairs asleep behind a closed door and under sedation is unlikely to be woken,  at a time when she would be in a deep sleep.

Wasn't there evidence to suggest Sheila hadn't been to bed ?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline adam

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2017, 06:23:18 AM »
Wasn't there evidence to suggest Sheila hadn't been to bed ?

There was no evidence. Supporters claim Sheila's bed had not been slept in. But how can anyone tell ?

The evidence is Sheila was found bare footed in her nightdress. Which is what you would expect her to be wearing in bed.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 02:48:41 PM »
Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.

Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.

Scipio gave his reasons for going "underground".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7559.msg352550#msg352550

Basically he said there's nothing new to debate and if/when there is he will return.  Sounds sensible to me.  I don't think we should assume that if someone stops posting he/she has changed his/her mind.  I've been over on IA but again its all been done to death now and posters have drifted off.   It's a time time consuming hobby and most people lead busy lives.   

David1819 posted up some trial transcipts on IA which are certainly not here and I don't think they're on Blue.  Think perhaps David had to talk very nicely to the dear ladies on the CT  8(0(*

I will talk to Admin about getting them uploaded to the library for future ref but in the meantime if anyone's interested please find attached the following trial transcripts:


Malcolm Fletcher

John Hayward

Prof Knight

Dr Vanezis

The difference between version 1 and 2 of MF's testimony is that version 1 contains the opening page and version 2 doesn't.  But version 2 does contain a page or two that version 1 doesn't but I haven't worked out which ones!  Hope that makes sense!

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 03:07:41 PM »
John Hayward:

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2017, 03:08:25 PM »
Prof Knight:

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2017, 03:15:01 PM »
Some of the docs are not uploading.  I suspect the files are too large so I will have to figure out a way of separating them.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2017, 04:03:13 PM »
Anyway the docs throw up some interesting points.

- Prof Knight states in his opinion the marks to NB's back were not burns.  I have always thought this as it makes no sense to me that either SC or JB would single NB out for burning.

- Dr Vanezis states a graze wound to June's chest could have been caused by a bullet.  Effectively an 8th bullet.  If this is so it would account for the fourth bullet found in the bedroom DRH/5.

- He also states the soles of NB's feet were clean.  If NB was involved in some sort of "violent struggle" with the perp then why would the perp sustain bloodstaining and debris attaching to the soles but not NB?

- Malcolm Fletcher starts his testimony by answering the prosecutors questions about his experience.  He includes a small amount of experience with an air gun as a boy.  Not sure if he was being serious or just trying to inject some humour into the proceedings.  To my mind this seems a very strange thing for an expert witness to state at a criminal trial involving mass murder. 

- He sounds frighteningly incompetent.  He talks about breaking a nail during his tests on the rifle.  When asked how long he kept his nails he replied short but not right down to the cuticle!  For those that don't know what a cuticle is its the little whitish bit at the base of the nail.  Lets put it this way if your nails were down by your cuticles you would have virtually 95% plus exposed nail bed  8)><(     

- He is asked about SC's nightdress and states it was checked for the presence of various firearm discharge residues including gun oil and found none.  He states that these residues would exit the barrel (or silencer) side vents and casing ejection port.  All concerned seem to overlook the fact that the rifle was found on SC's nightdress/person so whether she committed suicide or was murdered surely some residues would be expected from the firearm being fired over her body and residues that deposited on the rifle from the other 23/24 shots?

- Both Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward say they came to the conclusion the silencer was attached on the basis that that a pull though (special cloth for checking barrel of rifle) was free of blood.  And yet we know from a world expert on gunshot wounds - something Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward were clearly not - that examinations of hundreds of firearms involved in contact gunshot wounds do not result in blood in or on the barrel.  In fact its about 50 : 50 and that's with a cross range of firearms it would probably be less with low calibre firearms such as the one used at WHF. 

No doubt all concerned were completely out of their depth with this unusual soc for Little Britian ie a mass shooting.  When I say all concerned I am referring to the trial judge, defence, prosecution and expert witnesses.  It is easy for me to say this now as at a click of a button I can turn up forensic textbooks and show that much of what the jury was told at trial was simply wrong or overlooked. 

I came to the conclusion that Malcolm Fletcher was either grossly incompetent or deliberately misled the court for whatever reason(s).  I wouldn't be surprised to one day learn he has been taken in for questioning. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2017, 12:51:07 PM »
Ho ho!! It really was, wasn't it? It was a bit reminiscent of Dick Van Dyke giving his cockney.

Anyhoo. Happy birthday, Jeremy Bamber. Ooh er, Friday the 13th. Enjoy yet another year of shitty food, ponce pals, old women writing to you about their shoes, and hope slipping away. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
But Pugsy haven't you read ... Jeremy is getting out this year! It must be so coz Jeremy told us on his blog! "Hope slipping away" .... I would say it takes less than 30 years to get to the "slipping away" stage! ;)

Offline puglove

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2017, 02:13:50 PM »
But Pugsy haven't you read ... Jeremy is getting out this year! It must be so coz Jeremy told us on his blog! "Hope slipping away" .... I would say it takes less than 30 years to get to the "slipping away" stage! ;)

Hallo Biggus!! Are you still an International Man of Mystery?    8(>((
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2017, 01:10:41 PM »
Hallo Biggus!! Are you still an International Man of Mystery?    8(>((

I am thank you Shona The Wise and what's more I have a new home in a new country and I am not telling any f..kers on line where that is! Neither of us need those stalking Tesco weirdos bothering us again do we! ;) How's Pug Life ... hope all is well with you and yours?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2017, 02:54:06 PM »
I am thank you Shona The Wise and what's more I have a new home in a new country and I am not telling any f..kers on line where that is! Neither of us need those stalking Tesco weirdos bothering us again do we! ;) How's Pug Life ... hope all is well with you and yours?

Wherever, I hope you're still able to ride the white stuff.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What a waste of time and money
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2017, 03:33:39 PM »
Well, Trudi Benjamin has recently completed some form of Crowd Funding in order to obtain the necessary funds for the purpose of enabling expert evidence to be obtained upon the issue of the kitchen window at White House Farm.
However, the oral evidence at the Trial from Julie Mugford was that Bamber informed her that he departed White House Farm by means of that window - apparently if it was slammed shut from the outside it enabled it to appear as though it was locked from the inside.
Further, the oral evidence of DCI Barlow at the Trial was that he managed to replicate that very process.
So, even if it's now possible for that window to be examined (perhaps the window has changed in the last 30 or so years and, of course, there is no Court Order which compels the existing owner of White House Farm to permit any examination of the window), it will have NO evidential weight.
I fully expect the CCRC to reject any Application which is presented to it.
Thereafter, no doubt, Trudi Benjamin will seek further Crowd Funding to raise more money for the purpose of funding an Application for Judicial Review.
Inevitably, any such Application would be doomed to fail.
When will this madness end?
That, of course, is a rhetorical question - it will end upon Bamber's death in Prison !

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I agree any further tests re the windows will be a complete waste of time and money.  The CCRC will simply reject it on the basis it does not meet the criteria of "new evidence":

Hearing new evidence

The Court of Appeal may hear new evidence that was not adduced in the original proceedings (section 23(1)(c) Criminal Appeal Act 1968), if:

    it appears capable of belief;
    it may afford any ground for allowing the appeal;
    it would have been admissible;
    it is an issue which is the subject of the appeal;
    there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce it.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/appeals_to_the_court_of_appeal/#a02

According to the CoA, document notes from DC Barlow state the following:

273. Further complaint is made that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that DC Barlow examined the windows of White House Farm on 22 August 1985 and noted nothing of significance in relation to the bathroom window. His statement of 21 November 1985 indicates that:

"on Thursday the 22nd of August I was on duty when I went to White House Farm. There I made an examination of the kitchen window"

There is no reference in the statement to the bathroom window. 274. In notes written for the Essex Review (after trial) he wrote:

"22/8/85 first opportunity to go to White House Farm. Examined all the windows. Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed"


The following statement was read to the jury as part of the defence case:

64. In contrast with Sergeant Golding, DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy. That statement was read to the Jury as part of the Defence case.

And the judge said the following:

As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

Afaik JB always maintained he could enter WHF via windows but he did not know a way in which he could exit via windows and leave the property secure from within. 

The only thing I am 100% certain of is that JB's conviction will never be overturned as a result of the windows. 


 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?