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Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1005 on: January 08, 2017, 05:29:29 PM »
If there is no crime then Maddie is not a victim

She certainly is  a victim of misfortune.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1006 on: January 08, 2017, 05:29:38 PM »
Ok
Are the twins a victim of crime
Not yet, AFAIK.  As to whether they will be, IMO, yes, because life can be sh***y in the circumstances they find themselves in.

Are you sticking to 'twins were drugged' or diverting?
What's up, old man?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1007 on: January 08, 2017, 05:29:49 PM »
As a reminder, YET AGAIN.

It remains unknown if there was a crime , i.e. if Madeleine was removed from the apartment.
Technically true, she could have walked or fallen out.
The word "kidnapped" in the OP is from the quote by Kate in the article. 
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 05:35:28 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1008 on: January 08, 2017, 05:33:58 PM »
Not yet, AFAIK.  As to whether they will be, IMO, yes, because life can be sh***y in the circumstances they find themselves in.

Are you sticking to 'twins were drugged' or diverting?

I'm responding to your post lol
Are you off topic

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1009 on: January 08, 2017, 05:37:56 PM »
Not yet, AFAIK.  As to whether they will be, IMO, yes, because life can be sh***y in the circumstances they find themselves in.

Are you sticking to 'twins were drugged' or diverting?
The twins were victims of the crime if they were sedated.  I was originally thinking they were victims for they lost their sister.
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Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1010 on: January 08, 2017, 05:39:32 PM »
The twins were victims of the crime if they were sedated.  I was originally thinking they were victims for they lost their sister.

Ah, victims of circumstance, rather than of crime.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1011 on: January 08, 2017, 05:41:16 PM »
Ah, victims of circumstance, rather than of crime.
Then we are all victims of circumstances.
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Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1012 on: January 08, 2017, 05:42:49 PM »
Indeed we are.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1013 on: January 08, 2017, 05:49:46 PM »
Indeed we are.
All except Bell Pottinger who got half a million pounds from it.
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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1014 on: January 08, 2017, 05:53:08 PM »
If they rolled over? Did they?

That's my point,  you don't know what Fiona observed,  you are just jumping to conclusions.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1015 on: January 08, 2017, 05:56:02 PM »
That's my point,  you don't know what Fiona observed,  you are just jumping to conclusions.

We do know what Fiona observed because she told us and not in a translated interview where there was room for interpretation but in her rogatory statement, given in English. It is you who are trying to put words into her mouth.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1016 on: January 08, 2017, 05:59:47 PM »
We do know what Fiona observed because she told us and not in a translated interview where there was room for interpretation but in her rogatory statement, given in English. It is you who are trying to put words into her mouth.
That is her version of the events 1 year later. 
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1017 on: January 08, 2017, 06:11:00 PM »
We do know what Fiona observed because she told us and not in a translated interview where there was room for interpretation but in her rogatory statement, given in English. It is you who are trying to put words into her mouth.
Did Fiona say the twins were completely immobile and unresponsive all night long?

Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1018 on: January 08, 2017, 06:14:36 PM »
That is her version of the events 1 year later.

After a get together in Rothley.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1019 on: January 08, 2017, 06:14:46 PM »
The victim was Madeleine.

Good of you to recognise that.

However two of the other victims of the crime ... Madeleine's siblings ... were apparently ignored by the police investigators both regarding their personal welfare and their importance as possible vessels carrying evidence.

There is no record of any forensic investigation concerning their persons, the cots they slept in or the bedding on which they slept.
Indeed, they were carried from the scene of the crime wrapped in bedding which could have been evidence.

In the meantime the other victims ... unless you wish to argue the point about who exactly are the victims of such a crime ... have somehow been  metamorphosed into investigators responsible for the crimes scene, from as some would have it,
  • sealing off the crime scene
  • to ensure that proper diligence regarding the observance of collecting forensic evidence is observed

The police do the investigating.  I do not believe that even Amaral's theory stretched as far as suggesting any suspected drugging of the twins should have been left to their parents to instigate investigating ... do correct me if I am wrong.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....