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Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1125 on: January 09, 2017, 11:58:17 AM »
It doesn't matter,  the Police should investigate on the evidence they find,  I am not trained in Police work, but if I found what the Police found in 5a then I would be thinking,  abductor and sedation,   investigation should have involved the twins and the bedding of Madeleine's bed and the cots.

The police did investigate on the evidence they had. A missing child left home alone in an unsecured apartment where, it was alleged, there had been found an open window and shutters. Just like MW they searched all night for the child using more policemen and dogs. At the same time they alerted the airport and road patrols to watch out for anything suspicious. The apartment was cleared and secured for forensic investigation in daylight.

The McCanns may have been shouting 'Abduction' but no police force takes the word of other people they have to try to cover all possibilities.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1126 on: January 09, 2017, 12:01:33 PM »
Evidence of sedation would not be evidence of abduction.

This is true.
As I understand it they found no evidence of either.................. &%+((£
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1127 on: January 09, 2017, 12:09:19 PM »
I would be interested to hear a logical explanation as to why it might occur to them. No-one mentioned the possibility to the PJ on the night. No-one mentioned it in statements.
I would be interested to know what you think is the function of police called to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a child from a room full of sleeping children.

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1128 on: January 09, 2017, 12:11:36 PM »
The police did investigate on the evidence they had. A missing child left home alone in an unsecured apartment where, it was alleged, there had been found an open window and shutters. Just like MW they searched all night for the child using more policemen and dogs. At the same time they alerted the airport and road patrols to watch out for anything suspicious. The apartment was cleared and secured for forensic investigation in daylight.

The McCanns may have been shouting 'Abduction' but no police force takes the word of other people they have to try to cover all possibilities.
Not though the possiblity that the children's evil parents had sedated their offspring though, it seems!

Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1129 on: January 09, 2017, 12:14:49 PM »
What evidence is there to suggest that possible sedation of the twins is connected to Madeleine's disappearance ?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1130 on: January 09, 2017, 12:15:33 PM »
I would be interested to know what you think is the function of police called to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a child from a room full of sleeping children.

Went off on their own is the logical first conclusion.
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1131 on: January 09, 2017, 12:24:06 PM »
Went off on their own is the logical first conclusion.
And then when it quickly becomes apparent the child didn't then what?

Offline jassi

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1132 on: January 09, 2017, 12:27:32 PM »
And then when it quickly becomes apparent the child didn't then what?

How quick do yo call quick?  Searchers were out all night and then again the following morning with dogs and helicopters looking for a wandering child.
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1133 on: January 09, 2017, 12:33:51 PM »
How quick do yo call quick?  Searchers were out all night and then again the following morning with dogs and helicopters looking for a wandering child.

In fact the search went on for days.

A lotvof peoples gave up their time to do that: holidaymakers; ex-pats;  local residents;  the local and national police, plus Spanish law enforcement.

We do know however, who wasn't searching. 8)-)))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1134 on: January 09, 2017, 12:53:29 PM »
Just to make it clear sedation is not a general anaesthetic and those sedated are responsive

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1135 on: January 09, 2017, 12:53:51 PM »
I'm not suggesting they tested the twins that night, but when it became apparent that a crime had most likely been committed don't you think they should have at least considered the possibility that the twins who were in the room at the time might have been interfered with in some way?
Why?

The Lisbon CSI team tested for anaesthetics on Madeleine's bed on 4 May 2007 and found none.

And while I accept the gassing story was on Richard and Judy prior to May 2007, and so may have been a source for the McCanns, there is also the issue of whether the Lisbon CSI team 1) should have been aware of this tale and 2) should have conducted tests beyond that which they carried out.

The team was not in communication with the McCanns, as the McCanns had gone to Portimão re statements.

And the McCanns raised sedation (or whatever) with the FLO's after the CSI team had departed.

There are times in this forum when threads take on somewhat unreal properties, and it strikes me this is one of them.

The McCanns left the twins in Luz on 4 May.  One assumes that was because the twins were fine, as in showing no sign of having been drugged.  To imply otherwise would be to libel the McCanns.

There was no insistence that the twins should be tested.  Presumably because the twins were fine.

This potentially key piece of information was not entered into statements on 4 May or 10 May.  To suggest 'would', 'could', 'might', 'ought to', 'possibly' is to libel a wide range of people, including the McCanns, other members of the T7, one or more helpers on the night, one or more official translators, several PJ officers, possibly some GNR officers and possibly the FLO team.

Bear in mind, this entire thread is hanging off a sensationalist headline in a tabloid newspaper dating to a time when the picture was about as clear as mud. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1136 on: January 09, 2017, 01:01:06 PM »
Why?

The Lisbon CSI team tested for anaesthetics on Madeleine's bed on 4 May 2007 and found none.

And while I accept the gassing story was on Richard and Judy prior to May 2007, and so may have been a source for the McCanns, there is also the issue of whether the Lisbon CSI team 1) should have been aware of this tale and 2) should have conducted tests beyond that which they carried out.

The team was not in communication with the McCanns, as the McCanns had gone to Portimão re statements.

And the McCanns raised sedation (or whatever) with the FLO's after the CSI team had departed.

There are times in this forum when threads take on somewhat unreal properties, and it strikes me this is one of them.

The McCanns left the twins in Luz on 4 May.  One assumes that was because the twins were fine, as in showing no sign of having been drugged.  To imply otherwise would be to libel the McCanns.

There was no insistence that the twins should be tested.  Presumably because the twins were fine.

This potentially key piece of information was not entered into statements on 4 May or 10 May.  To suggest 'would', 'could', 'might', 'ought to', 'possibly' is to libel a wide range of people, including the McCanns, other members of the T7, one or more helpers on the night, one or more official translators, several PJ officers, possibly some GNR officers and possibly the FLO team.

Bear in mind, this entire thread is hanging off a sensationalist headline in a tabloid newspaper dating to a time when the picture was about as clear as mud.

Second time
Cite for this checking for anaesthetics

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1137 on: January 09, 2017, 01:02:12 PM »
Just to remind people, read the actual scientific reports as regards sedation, etc.

Do not rely on a none cited personal opinion, which won't be validated.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1138 on: January 09, 2017, 01:11:27 PM »
I would be interested to know what you think is the function of police called to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a child from a room full of sleeping children.

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Alfie

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1139 on: January 09, 2017, 01:18:07 PM »
How quick do yo call quick?  Searchers were out all night and then again the following morning with dogs and helicopters looking for a wandering child.
As I said before I don't mean the PJ should have been running tests on the twins that night, but at some point in the following days and weeks would surely not have been beyond their means and capabilities?