Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[John]

How was Kate supposed to have informed the GNR officers of her concerns given she spoke no Portuguese and neither officers spoke English?

[G-Unit]

How many PJ officers were available overnight 3/4 May for the parents to voice their concerns to?

According to Kate;

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [Madeleine]

That was to the GNR officers 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'.

She does not say she told the PJ when they arrived later.

 

[G-Unit]

In her book Kate says that she and Fiona had both children on their laps and were hugging them, they were obviously being very closely monitored by two doctors, or are you claiming that this is a lie also?

I wonder where that was? Not in the Payne's apartment;

Reply    ”Err well eventually err the twins were brought up into our apartment err and that again to me was err a very odd thing because they were fast asleep, they did not wake up.”
 
 4078    ”Were they brought up, so had they been taken out of their cots and brought up?”
 Reply    ”Yeah, yeah. They were being carried, I think Fiona and Dave carried them up.”
 
 4078    ”And they were still not awake?”
 Reply    ”Still not awake, and the cots were, because they were travel cots they brought up, you know and err put in the living room and they were put into the cots and they just carried on sleeping.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

Still unresponsive, no hugging, no monitoring, just carried in and put into their cots.

[misty]

According to Kate;

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [Madeleine]

That was to the GNR officers 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'.

She does not say she told the PJ when they arrived later.

I'm still waiting for a link to the attending PJ officer's statements from that night.
2 GNR officers reported (much later) that the twins were sleeping unduly soundly in their cots. Was that because it had been brought to their attention?
José Maria Batista Roque – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII
 
Pages 3281 – 3284
 
Witness Statement
 
José María Batista Roque
 
Date: 17 – 10 – 2007
*snipped*
He says there were two children in cots placed in Madeleine’s room in a transversal position to the beds. The children never woke up, were in a ventral position, they did not even move during or after the search.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII

Pages 3885
Witness Statement

 
Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa
 
Date: 17-10-2007
*snipped*
He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine’s room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made.

[G-Unit]

I'm still waiting for a link to the attending PJ officer's statements from that night.
2 GNR officers reported (much later) that the twins were sleeping unduly soundly in their cots. Was that because it had been brought to their attention?
José Maria Batista Roque – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII
 
Pages 3281 – 3284
 
Witness Statement
 
José María Batista Roque
 
Date: 17 – 10 – 2007
*snipped*
He says there were two children in cots placed in Madeleine’s room in a transversal position to the beds. The children never woke up, were in a ventral position, they did not even move during or after the search.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII

Pages 3885
Witness Statement

 
Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa
 
Date: 17-10-2007
*snipped*
He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine’s room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made.

Those are the 'Tweedles'.

The PJ arrived and sent everyone except the McCanns packing. Then they asked OC to move the family to a new apartment. The twins were taken out asap. Kate didn't say she spoke to them.

Info on PJ here;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm

[misty]

Those are the 'Tweedles'.

The PJ arrived and sent everyone except the McCanns packing. Then they asked OC to move the family to a new apartment. The twins were taken out asap. Kate didn't say she spoke to them.

Info on PJ here;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm

So it would be fair to say that the 2 officers Kate said she expressed her concern to were the same & only 2 who referred to the twins in their statements.
I note Vitor Martins did not make his own personal statement until 4/12/07.

[Robittybob1]

She had already admitted in her book that she told lies when it was convenient so why would it surprise them?  Further at the time of her writing the book there was no active investigation taking place nor was there likely to be one on the strength of one lie so what censure did she have to fear?

Give me an example please?

[Robittybob1]

I'm still waiting for a link to the attending PJ officer's statements from that night.
2 GNR officers reported (much later) that the twins were sleeping unduly soundly in their cots. Was that because it had been brought to their attention?
José Maria Batista Roque – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII
 
Pages 3281 – 3284
 
Witness Statement
 
José María Batista Roque
 
Date: 17 – 10 – 2007
*snipped*
He says there were two children in cots placed in Madeleine’s room in a transversal position to the beds. The children never woke up, were in a ventral position, they did not even move during or after the search.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa – Statement, 17 October 2007
    
Processos Volume XII

Pages 3885
Witness Statement

 
Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa
 
Date: 17-10-2007
*snipped*
He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine’s room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made.

That makes it look like the situation was at least raised with the GNR officers. As Misty notes also. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg371993#msg371993
Both Roque and da Costa statements reflect what Silvia Baptista says in her statement.  It could be they were influenced by her arguments to the detriment of the McCanns.
"He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine’s room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made."
When da Costa makes a comment that he thought the situation very strange, that reflects his feelings at the time, so at least he should have said something and done something about it at the time.

[G-Unit]

So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room. But I needed to keep them close to me. I lowered myself down on to the couch with Fiona. She took a twin from me and we both sat there hugging my children. Holding one of my babies provided me with some
much-needed comfort, albeit fleetingly. [Madeleine]

Kate thought she was in the Payne's apartment but the evidence I quoted says not. [Dianne]

I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

It happened in 4G, according to Emma, where she left the McCanns at 4.30am. It was then that they all moved to 5H and put the still sleeping twins into cots. I expect Kate forgot the twins were moved twice; once to 4G and then to the Payne's after 4.30am.

[Lace]

Kate says in her book she asked for the twins to be tested for drugs on the night of the 3rd of May.   It is up to you if you believe her or not.   Imagining the state Kate must have been in that night,  it is probable that the police didn't take her seriously,  that she was just an hysterical woman claiming her twins had been drugged,  after all they thought they were dealing with a child who had wandered out.

[faithlilly]

Kate says in her book she asked for the twins to be tested for drugs on the night of the 3rd of May.   It is up to you if you believe her or not.   Imagining the state Kate must have been in that night,  it is probable that the police didn't take her seriously,  that she was just an hysterical woman claiming her twins had been drugged,  after all they thought they were dealing with a child who had wandered out.

But Kate doesn't claim it was just her, she wrote 'we' alerted the police, so did the police ignore several obviously worried holidaymakers? Further several of the police officers included in their statements the odd, unresponsiveness of the twins so why wouldn't they take her seriously?

[Alfie]

But Kate doesn't claim it was just her, she wrote 'we' alerted the police, so did the police ignore several obviously worried holidaymakers? Further several of the police officers included in their statements the odd, unresponsiveness of the twins so why wouldn't they take her seriously?

Why do you assume "we" refers to "several worried holiday makers" and not just her and Gerry?

[faithlilly]

Why do you assume "we" refers to "several worried holiday makers" and not just her and Gerry?

You are simply nitpicking now Alfie. Even if it was only Gerry and Kate ( even though Gerry didn't in any of his statements mention this lack of inaction by trained police professionals) that does not negate the point that although several independent witnesses noted the unresponsive state of the children they failed, strangely, to mention in their statements the parent's obvious concern.

[Alfie]

You are simply nitpicking now Alfie. Even if it was only Gerry and Kate ( even though Gerry didn't in any of his statements mention this lack of inaction by trained police professionals) that does not negate the point that although several independent witnesses noted the unresponsive state of the children they failed, strangely, to mention in their statements the parent's obvious concern.

So, it's your contention is it that neither Kate nor Gerry were concerned about their "unresponsive" children?  And you have come to this conclusion because the next day, after their kids were awake and well, their concerns were not recorded in a statement by the police?

[Robittybob1]

So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room. But I needed to keep them close to me. I lowered myself down on to the couch with Fiona. She took a twin from me and we both sat there hugging my children. Holding one of my babies provided me with some
much-needed comfort, albeit fleetingly. [Madeleine]

Kate thought she was in the Payne's apartment but the evidence I quoted says not. [Dianne]

I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

It happened in 4G, according to Emma, where she left the McCanns at 4.30am. It was then that they all moved to 5H and put the still sleeping twins into cots. I expect Kate forgot the twins were moved twice; once to 4G and then to the Payne's after 4.30am.

Can you prove what you are saying there?   I can't actually see where you get this from "It happened in 4G, according to Emma, where she left the McCanns at 4.30am. It was then that they all moved to 5H and put the still sleeping twins into cots. I expect Kate forgot the twins were moved twice; once to 4G and then to the Payne's after 4.30am". 
I appreciate it is a bit confusing but it is hard to imagine that someone like Kate could get confused with going up one floor or going across to a different apartment block and then upstairs to 4G.
Why isn't it just that Emma got confused about where she saw the twins on that night?