Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[G-Unit]

I realised the flaw in the PJ argument as I was driving today.  Tavares talks about Brian Healy's distant past comment.  Does nothing about it and then complains when Kate brings it up again at the time she is made an arguido.  I'll find the reference and refresh your memory.If that was the case why wasn't it followed up by the PJ earlier?  I now see the problem as being they would have had to declare their hand that they were thinking Kate had done it, for would they be able take hair samples from the kids without her thinking they were after her and no longer looking for Madeleine.  Her whole relationship with Ricardo would have been different after that.  Was she a bit naive to think that Ricardo was a true friend and was going to keep the gossip confidential?
Little did he know that she had wanted these tests done from the very beginning.  Did he know or not?
Ricardo Paiva is thoroughly discussed in Kate's book when first introducing the PJ liaison officer.
"We also become quite friendly with Ricardo Paiva ...."

Kate said in her book that she told the GNR on 3rd/4th May;

''I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated.''

She is the only person who mentions this. No-one else who was there at the time mentions it. Perhaps she thinks she reported it but she didn't? Under stress people don't always remember things correctly.

She didn't tell the PJ when they arrived.

She didn't tell the British Consul who met them at the police station the following morning.

She didn't tell the interpreter when she made her statement.

She didn't tell the British Ambassador.

She didn't tell Guilhermino Encarnação, the head honcho of the PJ when he spoke to them on 4th.

She didn't tell the FLO's who arrived on the Saturday.

Any one of those people, had Kate McCann explained how unusually the twins had behaved during the night of 3rd would have helped her to explain the seriousness of her concerns and set the steps in motion to have the twins tested, but they didn't because she must have 'moved on' and either didn't tell them or didn't insist.

For all those reasons I doubt that Kate did report her fears, even if she thinks she did.

[sadie]

Kate said in her book that she told the GNR on 3rd/4th May;

''I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated.''

She is the only person who mentions this. No-one else who was there at the time mentions it. Perhaps she thinks she reported it but she didn't? Under stress people don't always remember things correctly.

She didn't tell the PJ when they arrived.

She didn't tell the British Consul who met them at the police station the following morning.

She didn't tell the interpreter when she made her statement.

She didn't tell the British Ambassador.

She didn't tell Guilhermino Encarnação, the head honcho of the PJ when he spoke to them on 4th.

She didn't tell the FLO's who arrived on the Saturday.

Any one of those people, had Kate McCann explained how unusually the twins had behaved during the night of 3rd would have helped her to explain the seriousness of her concerns and set the steps in motion to have the twins tested, but they didn't because she must have 'moved on' and either didn't tell them or didn't insist.

For all those reasons I doubt that Kate did report her fears, even if she thinks she did.

How do you KNOW Gunit ?


I will reword that.

How COULD YOU KNOW these things Gunit?



Just because words were not written on paper, doesn't mean that they were not expressed verbally

[Robittybob1]

Kate said in her book that she told the GNR on 3rd/4th May;

''I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated.''

She is the only person who mentions this. No-one else who was there at the time mentions it. Perhaps she thinks she reported it but she didn't? Under stress people don't always remember things correctly.

She didn't tell the PJ when they arrived.

She didn't tell the British Consul who met them at the police station the following morning.

She didn't tell the interpreter when she made her statement.

She didn't tell the British Ambassador.

She didn't tell Guilhermino Encarnação, the head honcho of the PJ when he spoke to them on 4th.

She didn't tell the FLO's who arrived on the Saturday.

Any one of those people, had Kate McCann explained how unusually the twins had behaved during the night of 3rd would have helped her to explain the seriousness of her concerns and set the steps in motion to have the twins tested, but they didn't because she must have 'moved on' and either didn't tell them or didn't insist.

For all those reasons I doubt that Kate did report her fears, even if she thinks she did.

I think Kate would have been frustrated by all the insinuations of her mental state.  Going around saying that all three of her kids were drugged might have been seen by others as more evidence of this paranoia and therefore she dropped it till the PJ turned on her and started making her an arguido.  I read her book and she has an incredible memory.

[ShiningInLuz]

How do you KNOW Gunit ?

I will reword that.

How COULD YOU KNOW these things Gunit?

Just because words were not written on paper, doesn't mean that they were not expressed verbally

It's hardly a minor, inconsequential point that one omits from a sworn statement given to the people you are trying to convince of abduction.

The possibility of sedation appears to be in the public domain by the time of the T7 rogs.  Does anyone know the date and origin of this tale?

[Robittybob1]

It's hardly a minor, inconsequential point that one omits from a sworn statement given to the people you are trying to convince of abduction.

The possibility of sedation appears to be in the public domain by the time of the T7 rogs.  Does anyone know the date and origin of this tale?

All the references are in the thread here, but not quotes from the T7 rogatory statements as yet.  I hadn't thought of looking in there till now.  Thanks. Only a few went into the kids bedroom so not that many should have been aware of how well the twins slept.

[ShiningInLuz]

All the references are in the thread here, but not quotes from the T7 rogatory statements as yet.  I hadn't thought of looking in there till now.  Thanks. Only a few went into the kids bedroom so not that many should have been aware of how well the twins slept.

I'm not asking about the rogs.

I'm asking when this information became public enough that the media wrote about it, and quite possibly the PJ or LP thought it was sufficiently important to try to nail it down.

[G-Unit]

How do you KNOW Gunit ?


I will reword that.

How COULD YOU KNOW these things Gunit?



Just because words were not written on paper, doesn't mean that they were not expressed verbally

If Kate McCann expressed a fear that all three of her children had been given an unknown substance by an 'abductor' please explain why no-one reacted.

If Kate McCann was afraid her two remaining children had been given an unknown substance please explain why she and her husband didn't react.

[Brietta]

If Kate McCann expressed a fear that all three of her children had been given an unknown substance by an 'abductor' please explain why no-one reacted.

If Kate McCann was afraid her two remaining children had been given an unknown substance please explain why she and her husband didn't react.

Why didn't the Policia Juduciaria take all necessary precautions regarding the twins who remarkably slept so soundly?  They are the investigators, after all.

[G-Unit]

Why didn't the Policia Juduciaria take all necessary precautions regarding the twins who remarkably slept so soundly?  They are the investigators, after all.

When the PJ arrived they asked everyone to leave the apartment and they asked OC to reallocate the McCanns. The twins were removed asap. The PJ didn't know their sleeping patterns, they didn't know what the twins had slept through before they arrived and they didn't know what Kate was thinking. How were they supposed to know the twins were behaving strangely if the parents didn't tell them? Kate McCann didn't speak to the PJ. She said nothing in her statement the following day. Gerry McCann spoke to the PJ but he said nothing either on the night or in his statements.

[Alfie]

If Kate McCann expressed a fear that all three of her children had been given an unknown substance by an 'abductor' please explain why no-one reacted.

If Kate McCann was afraid her two remaining children had been given an unknown substance please explain why she and her husband didn't react.

We can only guess at the answer can't we?  My guess would be that as the children were breathing normally and appeared to a normal temperature, colour, with a normal pulse rate and as they were being looked after by trained practicing doctors, and as the McCanns had rather more pressing matters to be dealing with - ie: the sudden disappearance of the eldest child, that they give this latter issue their top priority.  Maybe they didn't want energies and focus diverted to what may have turned out to be a false alarm anyway? 

[Robittybob1]

We can only guess at the answer can't we?  My guess would be that as the children were breathing normally and appeared to a normal temperature, colour, with a normal pulse rate and as they were being looked after by trained practicing doctors, and as the McCanns had rather more pressing matters to be dealing with - ie: the sudden disappearance of the eldest child, that they give this latter issue their top priority.  Maybe they didn't want energies and focus diverted to what may have turned out to be a false alarm anyway?

And to remember that anything Kate and Gerry said had to be said through an interpreter.

[G-Unit]

We can only guess at the answer can't we?  My guess would be that as the children were breathing normally and appeared to a normal temperature, colour, with a normal pulse rate and as they were being looked after by trained practicing doctors, and as the McCanns had rather more pressing matters to be dealing with - ie: the sudden disappearance of the eldest child, that they give this latter issue their top priority.  Maybe they didn't want energies and focus diverted to what may have turned out to be a false alarm anyway?

Kate says she told the police everything just in case it was important, yet she didn't insist that they listened to her fears about possible sedation. Even when she had their full attention in her first statement she didn't share those fears. It seems she didn't tell them everything after all.

[Robittybob1]

Kate says she told the police everything just in case it was important, yet she didn't insist that they listened to her fears about possible sedation. Even when she had their full attention in her first statement she didn't share those fears. It seems she didn't tell them everything after all.

None of the first statements are detailed.

[Alfie]

Kate says she told the police everything just in case it was important, yet she didn't insist that they listened to her fears about possible sedation. Even when she had their full attention in her first statement she didn't share those fears. It seems she didn't tell them everything after all.

Perhaps, as the twins were awake, happy and healthy by the time she gave her statement she had put the idea out of her mind. 

[slartibartfast]

Perhaps, as the twins were awake, happy and healthy by the time she gave her statement she had put the idea out of her mind.

It's the problem with many statements and releases months and years apart, human nature tends to modify the memory to paint themselves in the best possible light.