Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

The front door to the appartment required a key to get in, because it was single locked. 

The patio door was not locked ... it was closed, so looked locked.  It was overlooked by the tapas group at a distance of 50 metres and was illuminated by the street lamp opposite.

Furthermore, CI Goncalo Amaral publicly stated that no intruder would go in that way because it was so overlooked by the Tapas group


Have you forgotten this Rob ?

I must have.  That is his opinion but it didn't seem to be confirmed by the former English investigators. 

Dispatches: Searching for Madeleine - Chan 4 - 18 October 2007   Good place to start.
https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=701

[sadie]

I must have.  That is his opinion but it didn't seem to be confirmed by the former English investigators. 

Dispatches: Searching for Madeleine - Chan 4 - 18 October 2007   Good place to start.
https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=701

Rob, I have been there.  I have sat in the Tapas restaurant and eaten a meal looking at the apartment.  The Mccanns sat a couple of metres, or so, farther west in the Tapas Restaurant than we did, but they did NOT have the view that the British detectives say they did.

1)  The photo and all their analyses are incorrectly taken from the Tapas BAR, not the restaurant.   
They have come to the wrong conclusions based upon false initial data.   The angle that they looked from is far more acute than the actual angle the friends looked from  .... and this causes the parents bedroom wall, which sticks forward, to hide most of the patio window.   Whereas where we sat, within the restaurant, we could see virtually all the patio window because the bedroom wall did not hide it.

So the wrong angle gave false information


2)  Foliage grows at an amazing rate in the western Algarve.   At the time of the abduction they had just been pruned for the summer and were at their shortest.  When we were there they were short and we could see most of tghe patio window.  I have no idea about the growth on the bushes when the Brits were there, but I think in the season they grow some 3 feet, before pruning back again.

So probably the wrong height and overall bulk of the bushes, which masked a good deal more of the patiio windows, giving a false impression..


In other words, it seems the officers made a cock up of the whole thing related to what the Tapas group could see from their seats.


Interestingly, almost all the press photos are also from completely the wrong angle, giving a totally incorrect view of what the Tapas group could see. 
Also many media reports said that they were in the tapas bar.  They were NOT, they were in the restaurant which is quite seperate from the bar.


In this case, not HiDeHos fault, but wrong info. again.

[John]

The detectives certainly believed it a possibilty that she got out and wandered off down the road.

VIDEO  5.20

[Robittybob1]

Rob, I have been there.  I have sat in the Tapas restaurant and eaten a meal looking at the apartment.  The Mccanns sat a couple of metres, or so, farther west in the Tapas Restaurant than we did, but they did NOT have the view that the British detectives say they did.

1)  The photo and all their analyses are incorrectly taken from the Tapas BAR, not the restaurant.   
They have come to the wrong conclusions based upon false initial data.   The angle that they looked from is far more acute than the actual angle the friends looked from  .... and this causes the parents bedroom wall, which sticks forward, to hide most of the patio window.   Whereas where we sat, within the restaurant, we could see virtually all the patio window because the bedroom wall did not hide it.

So the wrong angle gave false information


2)  Foliage grows at an amazing rate in the western Algarve.   At the time of the abduction they had just been pruned for the summer and were at their shortest.  When we were there they were short and we could see most of tghe patio window.  I have no idea about the growth on the bushes when the Brits were there, but I think in the season they grow some 3 feet, before pruning back again.

So probably the wrong height and overall bulk of the bushes, which masked a good deal more of the patiio windows, giving a false impression..


In other words, it seems the officers made a cock up of the whole thing related to what the Tapas group could see from their seats.


Interestingly, almost all the press photos are also from completely the wrong angle, giving a totally incorrect view of what the Tapas group could see. 
Also many media reports said that they were in the tapas bar.  They were NOT, they were in the restaurant which is quite seperate from the bar.


In this case, not HiDeHos fault, but wrong info. again.

I would like to run the experiment.  You sit at the restaurant and I'll see if I can sneak in to 5A without you noticing at  9:30 -10:00 PM in May.  - 

[John]

I would like to run the experiment.  You sit at the restaurant and I'll see if I can sneak in to 5A without you noticing at  9:30 -10:00 PM in May.  -

I don't think one would notice the patio door opening at 60 metres and especially in the dark through plastic sheeting windows as was fitted to the tapas restaurant.

[ShiningInLuz]

I don't think one would notice the patio door opening at 60 metres and especially in the dark through plastic sheeting windows as was fitted to the tapas restaurant.

Try running the seating plan past those who actually had a view of 5A.

Might come back to this in future, cos it is interesting.

At the moment, I am up to my neck in phone calls that night.

[G-Unit]

Rob, I have been there.  I have sat in the Tapas restaurant and eaten a meal looking at the apartment.  The Mccanns sat a couple of metres, or so, farther west in the Tapas Restaurant than we did, but they did NOT have the view that the British detectives say they did.

1)  The photo and all their analyses are incorrectly taken from the Tapas BAR, not the restaurant.   
They have come to the wrong conclusions based upon false initial data.   The angle that they looked from is far more acute than the actual angle the friends looked from  .... and this causes the parents bedroom wall, which sticks forward, to hide most of the patio window.   Whereas where we sat, within the restaurant, we could see virtually all the patio window because the bedroom wall did not hide it.

So the wrong angle gave false information


2)  Foliage grows at an amazing rate in the western Algarve.   At the time of the abduction they had just been pruned for the summer and were at their shortest.  When we were there they were short and we could see most of tghe patio window.  I have no idea about the growth on the bushes when the Brits were there, but I think in the season they grow some 3 feet, before pruning back again.

So probably the wrong height and overall bulk of the bushes, which masked a good deal more of the patiio windows, giving a false impression..


In other words, it seems the officers made a cock up of the whole thing related to what the Tapas group could see from their seats.


Interestingly, almost all the press photos are also from completely the wrong angle, giving a totally incorrect view of what the Tapas group could see. 
Also many media reports said that they were in the tapas bar.  They were NOT, they were in the restaurant which is quite seperate from the bar.


In this case, not HiDeHos fault, but wrong info. again.

They weren't seated inside the restaurant, but on the esplanade.

[barrier]

The front door to the appartment required a key to get in, because it was single locked. 

The patio door was not locked ... it was closed, so looked locked.  It was overlooked by the tapas group at a distance of 50 metres and was illuminated by the street lamp opposite.

Overlooked is stretching it a bit don't you think.

[Alice Purjorick]

Overlooked is stretching it a bit don't you think.

Just a bit!
The street lamp which "illuminates" the apartment is the same street lamp which offers little illumination in the "When Jane met Gerry and Jez saga".

[G-Unit]

Overlooked is stretching it a bit don't you think.

Not that any of them looked that way anyway, as they admitted. Those who commented said they could see very little.

[Robittybob1]

over the last year there has been much discussion about whether the McCanns told the PJ about the possibility of an abductor using sedatives on Madeleine and by implication the twins.

It is clearly stated in the joint agreed timeline that Jane saw a child limp with possible sedation.

"Description of Child:

- The child appeared to be a Caucasian girl about the ages of 3-4.
- She was seen to lie motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged.
- She did not seem to be wrapped up well for the time of night wearing only pyjamas; the trousers were lightly coloured with a floral element, possibly with turn-ups. The top was not well seen though there was thought to be
another colour involved possibly pink.
- She was not wearing shoes. " from SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: THURSDAY 3rd MAY 2007
20.30 TO 22.00 AS RECALLED BY TAPAS 9  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm



Now it is well documented that this was presented to the PJ prior to the second round of interviews.  In other words they had plenty of time to organise tests to be done on the twins hair.

[G-Unit]

over the last year there has been much discussion about whether the McCanns told the PJ about the possibility of an abductor using sedatives on Madeleine and by implication the twins.

It is clearly stated in the joint agreed timeline that Jane saw a child limp with possible sedation.

"Description of Child:

- The child appeared to be a Caucasian girl about the ages of 3-4.
- She was seen to lie motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged.
- She did not seem to be wrapped up well for the time of night wearing only pyjamas; the trousers were lightly coloured with a floral element, possibly with turn-ups. The top was not well seen though there was thought to be
another colour involved possibly pink.
- She was not wearing shoes. " from SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: THURSDAY 3rd MAY 2007
20.30 TO 22.00 AS RECALLED BY TAPAS 9  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm



Now it is well documented that this was presented to the PJ prior to the second round of interviews.  In other words they had plenty of time to organise tests to be done on the twins hair.

The inference was that MBM may have been drugged, not the twins.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The detectives certainly believed it a possibilty that she got out and wandered off down the road.

VIDEO  5.20

AN interesting point made Gerry told the police Maddie could not have got out ber herself as she couldn't lift the shutters?  oh  he forgot to mention the unlocked door.. tsk!

Drugged questions  who?when?how?why?

[sadie]

They weren't seated inside the restaurant, but on the esplanade.

I beg your pardon?

Well that is certainly news to me.  All this time believing that they were within the restaurant, where did you get that from Gunit ?

Whilst i appreciate the doubt thru the plastic sheeting, from the espanade there would be no way that their visibility of a person walking thru the patio area of 5A would not be visible. 

Johns photo shows how it was without the plastic but from but a different angle to where The Tapas group sat.    And also when that photo was taken, the bushes needed cutting back to how they were on May 3rd 2007.  Greenery grows amazingly fast on the western Algarve and can rapidly blank out views.

[Robittybob1]

AN interesting point made Gerry told the police Maddie could not have got out ber herself as she couldn't lift the shutters?  oh  he forgot to mention the unlocked door.. tsk!

Drugged questions  who?when?how?why?

But could she do that if she had been drugged?