Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[John]

It was Gerry who left early from the Tapas on Wednesday.  When Kate arrived back he was already snoring so she slept in the spare bed in the kids room.

Thanx Rob, post duly amended.

[faithlilly]

When your child has disappeared in mysterious circumstances it is natural for any parent to want to know as much as possible about what may have happened, nothing odd about that!

But why particularly sedation? Of all the questions they could have asked, why did sedation particularly interest them?

[John]

The GNR officers noticed the condition of the twins.
The CSI officers must have seen the Calpol.
In 2014 the Portuguese officers still seemed to believe Calpol is a sedative (Irish baby case).
The PJ suspected the parents from the outset.
Whydid the PJ not arrange for the twins to be tested? If the police were happy to ignore "evidence" under their noses at the outset, they were probably equally happy to ignore concerns expressed by distraught parents

The PJ missed a perfect opportunity to get to the bottom of this issue.

[John]

Mrs Fenn's statement has a slight confusion about it I find.  Was it just Wednesday daytime she isn't at her apartment?  If that was the case why didn't she hear what went on on Wednesday night if there was more crying?
We need to look at this closer.

There is a thread dedicated to this topic already.

[faithlilly]

Please don't be silly.  The children were in the arms of trained doctors.  How much more closely could they have been monitored?

Makes you wonder why we take teenagers to be monitored in hospitals when unresponsive  after ingesting an unknown substance. Why we spend on that money on equipment when all doctors really need to do is give the patient a little bit of a cuddle.

If I have ever heard anything more ridiculous on this forum I am failing to remember when.

[John]

Please don't be silly.  The children were in the arms of trained doctors.  How much more closely could they have been monitored?

Monitoring just wasn't good enough, they should have been checked over and tested properly by impartial medics.  We can forgive the lapse on the night Madeleine disappeared due to the trauma of the situation and the fact that the tapas group had been drinking but the twins should have been tested the following day.

[Lace]

Monitoring just wasn't good enough, they should have been checked over and tested properly by impartial medics.

Kate said in her book she asked for the twins to be tested for drugs,   why weren't they?    Posters don't believe Kate asked for this to be done,  but why lie in her book?   Amaral hasn't come back and said she lied has he?  Kate also mentioned the stain on the front of Madeleine's pyjama's the morning of the 3rd,  all this was ignored.   Until
Amaral after the dogs alerted decided that the McCann's had drugged their children.

[Alfie]

But why particularly sedation? Of all the questions they could have asked, why did sedation particularly interest them?

Because they had been concerned about the twins' deep sleep?

[Alfie]

Makes you wonder why we take teenagers to be monitored in hospitals when unresponsive  after ingesting an unknown substance. Why we spend on that money on equipment when all doctors really need to do is give the patient a little bit of a cuddle.

If I have ever heard anything more ridiculous on this forum I am failing to remember when.

You think that two doctors closely monitoring two sleepy children by holding them in their arms is the most ridiculous thing you've heard?  Wow.  OK.  The McCanns did not know for certain the kids had been drugged, also they were doctors.  What equipment would the twins have been hooked up to in hospital that would have given a much better assessment of their condition than two trained doctors?

[faithlilly]

Because they had been concerned about the twins' deep sleep?

But the twins were okay, you said so yourself, so again why that particular question?

[Alfie]

Monitoring just wasn't good enough, they should have been checked over and tested properly by impartial medics.  We can forgive the lapse on the night Madeleine disappeared due to the trauma of the situation and the fact that the tapas group had been drinking but the twins should have been tested the following day.

Maybe so but the twins were fine the next day and their parents had other more pressing things on their mind. 

[faithlilly]

Maybe so but the twins were fine the next day and their parents had other more pressing things on their mind.

Then why are they concerned enough to ask the FLO about it? You really can't have it both ways.

[sadie]

Who said the McCanns regularly sedated their children? Not me certainly. As to why they drew attention to sedation it would certainly benefit the McCanns, if they were complicit in their daughter's disappearance, to be forewarned to what the PJ knew.

We must never forget that when the McCanns had the opportunity to clearly request tests for the twins in English to the FLOs they neither asked for those tests to be carried out nor did they specifically mention the unresponsive state of the twins on the 3rd.

I think you are wrong on that Faith.  I think this specific point ahs been gone over on this thread in the past couple of days. 

Please correct me, if I am remembering incorrectly

[faithlilly]

You think that two doctors closely monitoring two sleepy children by holding them in their arms is the most ridiculous thing you've heard?  Wow.  OK.  The McCanns did not know for certain the kids had been drugged, also they were doctors.  What equipment would the twins have been hooked up to in hospital that would have given a much better assessment of their condition than two trained doctors?

From elsewhere but makes the point succinctly.

'for a range of conditions. It is a safe drug when used as prescribed but extremely dangerous in overdose. It is especially dangerous in children. (I am not going to name the class of drug - those in the know will probably recognise it, and I have no wish to give ideas to the cerebrally challenged element)

One symptom of overdose in children is unconsciousness or extreme drowsiness. This can occur quite soon after ingestion. During this time, the child may breathe normally.

However, some of the symptoms emerge during the first six hours and may not be present on initial presentation. These may include CNS disturbances, seizures and massive cardiac problems. As soon as overdose with this class of drugs is suspected, it is vitally important to begin cardiac monitoring so that any changes can be spotted.

SNIP

I don't expect everyone to understand how an ECG works, but I am sure people have seen them and seen the printouts. The best way to think of the heart is that it works a little like a 4-stroke engine. The timing with which different parts of the heart muscle contract and relax is vital - the ECG printout basically allows the medical team to see that it is working properly. None of that can be deduced from taking a pulse. If it could, we wouldn't have any need for ECG machines.

These changes may mean that drugs may need to be given to restore normal rhythm, or the heart shocked back into rhythm. The patient may stop breathing and require intubation and ventilation. Cardiac monitoring should be continued for at least 8 hours in all cases, and for 24 hours after a normal rhythm is established in patients with symptoms.

Many children die of overdose of prescription medication.

[Alfie]

Then why are they concerned enough to ask the FLO about it? You really can't have it both ways.

And neither can you.  This conversation is getting tiresome.  I was accused of being very black and white by a moderator today.  I think this accusation could certainly be levelled at you.