Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[G-Unit]

So you'd accuse Fiona Payne of medical malpractice then?

Fiona was not responsible for the well-being of the children and could only diagnose and treat them with parental permission. There's no evidence that she offered or was asked to treat them, so she did nothing wrong.

[Mr Gray]

You really are in dreamland, if you seriously believe touching someone can determine drug or sedative concentration,  merely by touch.

You aren't managing to follow the debate are you

[stephen25000]

As a reference source..............

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/CG112/chapter/1-Guidance#clinical-environment-and-monitoring

As to the laying on of hands, to determine  what has been the effect of drugs or sedatives on a person, that is pure and utter B.S.

Some people need to get real.

[Alfie]

Fiona was not responsible for the well-being of the children and could only diagnose and treat them with parental permission. There's no evidence that she offered or was asked to treat them, so she did nothing wrong.

So, despite the fact that she was a doctor who was charged that night with keeping an eye on these children the fact that she did not suggest they be rushed to hospital straight away is perfectly reasonable as far as you're concerned is it?

[Mr Gray]

As a reference source..............

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/CG112/chapter/1-Guidance#clinical-environment-and-monitoring

As to the laying on of hands, to determine  what has been the effect of drugs or sedatives on a person, that is pure and utter B.S.

Some people need to get real.

As I have explained 20 yrs ago there was no monitoring for sedation ....
The new guidelines are part of the modern day obsession with health and safety and have achieved nothing

[Robittybob1]

You really are in dreamland, if you seriously believe touching someone can determine drug or sedative concentration,  merely by touch.

Not just by touch  - OK.
That is what we would do - we'd know the signs of the effects of the preanaesthetic medications and when the patient looked right we'd give them the anaesthetic.
And after that all the monitoring was done by checking for depth of anaesthesia all done by feeling and observing reactions of various reflexes, plus taking breathing and heart rates.

[G-Unit]

You aren't managing to follow the debate are you

What debate? Many of my posts are supported by independent cites. Many of the posters who have disagreed with me have not provided any cites. If no cites can be provided my points can't be said to have been refuted.

[stephen25000]

Not just by touch  - OK.
That is what we would do - we'd know the signs of the effects of the preanaesthetic medications and when the patient looked right we'd give them the anaesthetic.
And after that all the monitoring was done by checking for depth of anaesthesia all done by feeling and observing reactions of various reflexes, plus taking breathing and heart rates.

This wasn't done Rob, was it.

All hypothetical.

Now according to Kate McCann's book she wanted the children checked.

Yet there is no record of this request, by her, her husband or the Police.

Personally, I would say the claim in the book was made up, to cover them, but we will never know the answer to that one, bar a confession.

[G-Unit]

So, despite the fact that she was a doctor who was charged that night with keeping an eye on these children the fact that she did not suggest they be rushed to hospital straight away is perfectly reasonable as far as you're concerned is it?

Please provide a cite.

[Robittybob1]

Fiona was not responsible for the well-being of the children and could only diagnose and treat them with parental permission. There's no evidence that she offered or was asked to treat them, so she did nothing wrong.

Would English doctors be allowed to treat patients in foreign lands?

[G-Unit]

As I have explained 20 yrs ago there was no monitoring for sedation ....
The new guidelines are part of the modern day obsession with health and safety and have achieved nothing

Cites please.

[Mr Gray]

I was traveling back home a couple of days ago when my son was unwell
I felt his forehead and realised he had a temperature and gave him
Paracetamol
In hospital that would have not been acceptable
Paracetamol could only be given if the temp was checked with a thermometer
Hospital guidelines are not applicable in the real world

[Robittybob1]

Please provide a cite.

What else was she doing in the McCann's apartment?
Looking after Kate and the twins.

[G-Unit]

Not just by touch  - OK.
That is what we would do - we'd know the signs of the effects of the preanaesthetic medications and when the patient looked right we'd give them the anaesthetic.
And after that all the monitoring was done by checking for depth of anaesthesia all done by feeling and observing reactions of various reflexes, plus taking breathing and heart rates.

Cites please.

[Alfie]

Please provide a cite.

You're getting boring now. 
"We couldn't look after ourselves, let alone the twins.  So the staff put two extra cots in Fiona and David's apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room".