Author Topic: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.  (Read 215690 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Anti histamines have sedative actions
So do children taking these drugs need to be monitored

Offline G-Unit

What else was she doing in the McCann's apartment?
Looking after Kate and the twins.

I went back to Kate. I mean, that, that was my main kind of role that night, again, was just, I was the only one really with Kate continuously for that evening and, as I say, at that point she was just in no state to be left alone and that was what I saw as my role really'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Concerned to support Kate. No mention of the children.
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Offline Robittybob1

From her book
Thanks.  I'm always confused about where they go, for some say to the Payne's apartment and others say the extra cots were taken through to apartment 4G which is in the next apartment block along.  Maybe there were two moves first to the Paynes and then to their own new apartment. 

I went back to Kate. I mean, that, that was my main kind of role that night, again, was just, I was the only one really with Kate continuously for that evening and, as I say, at that point she was just in no state to be left alone and that was what I saw as my role really'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Concerned to support Kate. No mention of the children.
If you look after the mother for she is in no fit state you are indirectly taking over the responsibilities of the mother as well i.e. looking after the twins.
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It seems to have been forgotten by some, that this situation was atypical.

A child had disappeared, and the two other children were unresponsive.

The logical and correct course of action, would have been to have the children checked out in a hospital, and samples of blood to be taken in the first instance for analysis.

That it wasn't done, or even insisted on,tends to indicate something untoward had taken place.

The question is what.


Offline Robittybob1

A statement of fact becomes its own cite.  Like we can get Fiona's statement where she looks after Kate, but we can't drill down further and find where Fiona shows us documentary proof that she looked after Kate.

Her statement becomes the cited fact (later it will be judged right or wrong).
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Offline Mr Gray

It seems to have been forgotten by some, that this situation was atypical.

A child had disappeared, and the two other children were unresponsive.

The logical and correct course of action, would have been to have the children checked out in a hospital, and samples of blood to be taken in the first instance for analysis.

That it wasn't done, or even insisted on,tends to indicate something untoward had taken place.

The question is what.

No it doesn't
You are simply stating your opinion as fact

Offline G-Unit

You're getting boring now. 
"We couldn't look after ourselves, let alone the twins.  So the staff put two extra cots in Fiona and David's apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room".

Kate wasn't able to care for herself, let alone her children, she says. Those convinced that her diagnosis and monitoring of her children was satisfactory may need to accept that their faith in her is misplaced imo.
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Thanks.  I'm always confused about where they go, for some say to the Payne's apartment and others say the extra cots were taken through to apartment 4G which is in the next apartment block along.  Maybe there were two moves first to the Paynes and then to their own new apartment. 
If you look after the mother for she is in no fit state you are indirectly taking over the responsibilities of the mother as well i.e. looking after the twins.

Make your mind up. Kate was either in a fit state of she wasn't. If she wasn't her diagnosis and monitoring of the children was likely to be unsatisfactory.
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A statement of fact becomes its own cite.  Like we can get Fiona's statement where she looks after Kate, but we can't drill down further and find where Fiona shows us documentary proof that she looked after Kate.

Her statement becomes the cited fact (later it will be judged right or wrong).

Cites are cites. They can be quoted and referenced. Suggesting that a cite doesn't exist but you might find something to support your opinion later doesn't fit the bill at all.
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Offline slartibartfast

They were able to determine if there were harmful levels in the blood just by looking
Just as I can tell if someone is drunk just by looking

...as opposed to having a diabetic emergency?
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Offline Mr Gray

Cites are cites. They can be quoted and referenced. Suggesting that a cite doesn't exist but you might find something to support your opinion later doesn't fit the bill at all.
I'm actually 100% with you on this and fully support the idea
I will quote you when I ask Angelo for his cite that correia gave an interview in English and askstephen for a cite that correia admitted to interfering with witness
Cites are a really good idea and should be rigidly enforced

Offline Robittybob1

It seems to have been forgotten by some, that this situation was atypical.

A child had disappeared, and the two other children were unresponsive.

The logical and correct course of action, would have been to have the children checked out in a hospital, and samples of blood to be taken in the first instance for analysis.

That it wasn't done, or even insisted on,tends to indicate something untoward had taken place.

The question is what.
If you accept the testimony that Kate and Gerry brought up the idea of sedative use as part of the modus operandi on the 5th with the British Liaison team, what more did they need to do?

Did the Liaison team not immediately consult with the PJ about these concerns?  Maybe a question about this needs to be asked in Parliament?

Make your mind up. Kate was either in a fit state or she wasn't. If she wasn't her diagnosis and monitoring of the children was likely to be unsatisfactory.
Was a psychiatrist brought in to do that assessment?  Kate might have felt OK, but Fiona thought she was unfit (opinions).  I don't need to make up my mind on this, all I can do is report what we are told.

Cites are cites. They can be quoted and referenced. Suggesting that a cite doesn't exist but you might find something to support your opinion later doesn't fit the bill at all.
I think I agree with that.  But taking the previous post as an example you can't provide cites where it proves Fiona found Kate unfit to look after herself and the kids in her care.  You just take Fiona's word for that but there is still a possibility her statement may not be factual.

...as opposed to having a diabetic emergency?
You then go through the differential diagnoses e.g. to tell if they were drinking - smell their breath.
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Offline slartibartfast

If you accept the testimony that Kate and Gerry brought up the idea of sedative use as part of the modus operandi on the 5th with the British Liaison team, what more did they need to do?

The asked the FLO if the was any evidence that a sedative has been used to remove Madeleine. Not quite the same.

[/quote]You then go through the differential diagnoses e.g. to tell if they were drinking - smell their breath.
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So not just by looking?
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Offline G-Unit

I'm actually 100% with you on this and fully support the idea
I will quote you when I ask Angelo for his cite that correia gave an interview in English and askstephen for a cite that correia admitted to interfering with witness
Cites are a really good idea and should be rigidly enforced

You seem to believe it applies to everyone except you. I don't think it works like that.
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Offline Mr Gray

You seem to believe it applies to everyone except you. I don't think it works like that.
No it applies to everyone
But when I ask for cites none are given
So let's insist on cites