Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alfie]

She probably didn't see the need as Kate was checking them and apparently didn't see the need. Who was she to second guess the twins own mother?

Why do you keep asking this question?  I have already explained why she should have.  Do I need to explain again?

[ShiningInLuz]

Hardly what?  You think the statements are an accurate record of ever word the witnesses said do you?

Feel free to thrash this point as much as you wish.

Sedation was important for two key reasons.

First was the health of the twins.  Presumably when Kate left them alone with a supposed abductor around in order to inform the T9 that Madeleine was gone, neither an abductor or sedation was uppermost in her mind.  Because if either was, then I would class that as a major fail.

Second was the evidence.  Failing to inform the PJ about possible sedation would also be a major fail, assuming it was suspected.  That would have been a key piece of evidence, vital in the police quest.  Yet this does not enter the statements of the T9 contemporaneous to Madeleine's disappearance.

Please don't trot out the 'well it may be that not everything was recorded' tripe.  That would be libelling the PJ officers doing the interviews and the interpreters.

Not even Kate claims she raised it with the Portuguese authorities.  Thus claims otherwise are pure speculation.  And we know what happens to pure speculation on this forum.

[Alfie]

Was Fiona Payne a witness to Kate's concern about the children?  Yes
Did the children's behaviour seem weird to her?  Yes
Did she, a trained anesthetist, recognise any symptoms in the children that required urgent medical attention? No.
Why are people who weren't there, didn't witness the events and aren't trained doctors / anesthetists, better judges of what should and shouldn't have been done with regard the twins?  God knows!

[Mr Gray]

Feel free to thrash this point as much as you wish.

Sedation was important for two key reasons.

First was the health of the twins.  Presumably when Kate left them alone with a supposed abductor around in order to inform the T9 that Madeleine was gone, neither an abductor or sedation was uppermost in her mind.  Because if either was, then I would class that as a major fail.

Second was the evidence.  Failing to inform the PJ about possible sedation would also be a major fail, assuming it was suspected.  That would have been a key piece of evidence, vital in the police quest.  Yet this does not enter the statements of the T9 contemporaneous to Madeleine's disappearance.

Please don't trot out the 'well it may be that not everything was recorded' tripe.  That would be libelling the PJ officers doing the interviews and the interpreters.

Not even Kate claims she raised it with the Portuguese authorities.  Thus claims otherwise are pure speculation.  And we know what happens to pure speculation on this forum.

Not everything could have been reported if you compare the lengths of the interviews and the length of the statements
Kate may well have mentioned it we just don't know

[Alfie]

Feel free to thrash this point as much as you wish.

Sedation was important for two key reasons.

First was the health of the twins.  Presumably when Kate left them alone with a supposed abductor around in order to inform the T9 that Madeleine was gone, neither an abductor or sedation was uppermost in her mind.  Because if either was, then I would class that as a major fail.

Second was the evidence.  Failing to inform the PJ about possible sedation would also be a major fail, assuming it was suspected.  That would have been a key piece of evidence, vital in the police quest.  Yet this does not enter the statements of the T9 contemporaneous to Madeleine's disappearance.

Please don't trot out the 'well it may be that not everything was recorded' tripe.  That would be libelling the PJ officers doing the interviews and the interpreters.

Not even Kate claims she raised it with the Portuguese authorities.  Thus claims otherwise are pure speculation.  And we know what happens to pure speculation on this forum.

which of the above instructions in bold would you like me to comply with?  Confused of Tunbridge Wells.

[faithlilly]

Why do you keep asking this question?  I have already explained why she should have.  Do I need to explain again?

It was a rhetorical question. I wasn't looking for an answer.

[Alfie]

It was a rhetorical question. I wasn't looking for an answer.

No, I'm sure you weren't.

[faithlilly]

Was Fiona Payne a witness to Kate's concern about the children?  Yes
Did the children's behaviour seem weird to her?  Yes
Did she, a trained anesthetist, recognise any symptoms in the children that required urgent medical attention? No.
Why are people who weren't there, didn't witness the events and aren't trained doctors / anesthetists, better judges of what should and shouldn't have been done with regard the twins?  God knows!

You don't have to be a doctor/anaesthetist to know that if a child is unresponsive with an unknown drug you get it to a hospital as soon as possible. That's simply common sense.

[Brietta]

To be a specialist, you require qualifications.

Webster/Payne got hers in 2010.

Healy/McCann hasn't.

Those are FACTS an indisputable.

Merely working in an anesthetics department does not make you an anaesthetist.

Is it usual for the NHS to allow unqualified individuals to practice as registrars in anaesthetics in British hospitals?

Kate Healey worked as a registrar in anaesthesia in Glasgow and later in Leicester after their move there.

Why on earth do you feel the need to destroy and belittle this couple's characters as well as denying them professional qualifications for which they have worked and earned and to which they are entirely entitled?

You have posted misinformation on the thread, please amend it.

[Alfie]

You don't have to be a doctor/anaesthetist to know that if a child is unresponsive with an unknown drug you get it to a hospital as soon as possible. That's simply common sense.

And you were there and saw that the twins were unresponsive and needed urgent medical care were you?

[jassi]

Is it usual for the NHS to allow unqualified individuals to practice as registrars in anaesthetics in British hospitals?

Kate Healey worked as a registrar in anaesthesia in Glasgow and later in Leicester after their move there.

Why on earth do you feel the need to destroy and belittle this couple's characters as well as denying them professional qualifications for which they have worked and earned and to which they are entirely entitled?

You have posted misinformation on the thread, please amend it.

A Registrar is a hospital junior doctor grade, not a qualification.

[Lace]

You don't have to be a doctor/anaesthetist to know that if a child is unresponsive with an unknown drug you get it to a hospital as soon as possible. That's simply common sense.

Unresponsive,  you know that as fact do you?   They were sleeping heavily by the look of it and if they rolled over they were not unresponsive.

[Robittybob1]

If Kate had furnished Fiona with a reason for her checking I'm sure Fiona would have mentioned it or as Fiona was at Kate's side most of the night she would have known why it was suspected that the twins were perhaps less responsive than she thought they should have been as her friend had just, allegedly, told the police officers present that she suspected her children had been sedated. The fact that Fiona found it 'weird' yet fails to qualify this with the suspected reason suggests Kate never voiced her concerns to, or in, Fiona's presence.

So biased that's not funny.

[faithlilly]

And you were there and saw that the twins were unresponsive and needed urgent medical care were you?

No I wasn't there but we have the statements of at least 5 witnesses who were and they all say the twins were unresponsive. Kate also says she raised her concerns with regard to the unresponsiveness of the twins with police officers. Would she have done that, or even claim to have done it, if the unresponsiveness of the twins wasn't marked?

[faithlilly]

Unresponsive,  you know that as fact do you?   They were sleeping heavily by the look of it and if they rolled over they were not unresponsive.

If they rolled over? Did they?