Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[sadie]

We have a book from 2011.
A query with a FLO asking if the "abductor" had used a substance.
A statement on the 5th...

When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later.

No "please check the kids".

A book from 2011 ? 
A statement on the 5th ?


I agree with him it is not normal that children are drugged but then this case is not normal in any way

[slartibartfast]

I didn't say that.  What i said was that the cardiologist (Gerry) would be able to recognise vital signs of heart problems.  Someone suggested about heart problems IIRC

And the aneathatist (Kate) would be able to recognise any vital signs of breathing problems

Then there was a raft of other doctors to help if any other signs showed.



They had the situation under control BUT THEY WANTED THE PJ TO TEST to see if the twins had any sedative in their bodies.   
Because that could have pointed towards the involvement of the staff making and serving tea.


Seems that for some reason either Amaral couldn't be bothered, or
... did not want them tested    &%+((£

All IMO

Did they have a stethoscope on them?

[Alfie]

You said the McCanns weren't worried about the twins because they were okay the next morning yet in the next post you say they asked the FLO's about sedation because they were worried about the twins being in such a deep sleep. So what is it?

If you find it tiresome to answer about your ridiculous assertions perhaps you should not post them in the first place.

There is nothing ridiculous about what I have posted.  Try more understanding and less ridiculing.  The morning after Madeleine's disappearance the twins were awake and functioning normally.  No immediate danger to them.  Their sister however was still missing and this was the McCanns' primary concern.  In their opinion all their children may have been sedated by an abductor and so they raised this concern with the police as it may have been an important factor in the disapparance.  Which bit of this do you find especially ridiculous?

[slartibartfast]

A book from 2011 ? 
A statement on the 5th ?


I agree with him it is not normal that children are drugged but then this case is not normal in any way

Is there a question or comment in that post?

[sadie]

Utter rubbish Sadie..

You really need to read up on these matters.

Can you explain ?

[Alfie]

How clever.

Doctors are quite clever I believe, or can they only tell the state of a child's health by hooking them up to "complicated machines"?

[stephen25000]

I already have in previous posts.

I suggest you look up first aid advice in such a situation Sadie.


www.sja.org.uk

For parents.

[faithlilly]

There is nothing ridiculous a out what I have posted.  Try more understanding and less ridiculing.  The morning after Madeleine's disappearance the twins were awake and functioning normally.  No immediate danger to them.  Their sister however was still missing and this was the McCanns' primary concern.  In their opinion all their children may have been sedated by an abductor and so they raised this concern with the police as it may have been an important factor in the disapparance.  Which bit of this do you find especially ridiculous?

The time to act was not in the morning when they could see the twins were fine but on the night of the third when they were totally unresponsive. They were damn lucky their children didn't suffer any long term effects. If they had acted in the same way when doing their job they would have been struck off.

As to raising their concerns about the twins unresponsive state a couple of days before, they didn't. They asked whether anything pointed to a sedative being used in their daughter's disappearance. They made no mention of the twins, suspicious I'm sure you'll agree, in the circumstances. They asked for no test even though you claim they mentioned sedation to the FLOs in case it was an important factor in the disappearance. Wouldn't finding out what was administered and how it was administered be helpful to the enquiry?

[Alfie]

The time to act was not in the morning when they could see the twins were fine but on the night of the third when they were totally unresponsive. They were damn lucky their children didn't suffer any long term effects. If they had acted in the same way when doing their job they would have been struck off.

As to raising their concerns about the twins unresponsive state a couple of days before, they didn't. They asked whether anything pointed to a sedative being used in their daughter's disappearance. They made no mention of the twins, suspicious I'm sure you'll agree, in the circumstances. They asked for no test even though you claim they mentioned sedation to the FLOs in case it was an important factor in the disappearance. Wouldn't finding out what was administered and how it was administered be helpful to the enquiry?

Exactly, so why didn't the police do so?  Talk about negligent! 

[faithlilly]

Exactly, so why didn't the police do so?  Talk about negligent!

They should have but how does that let their parents off of the hook?

[Alice Purjorick]

Doctors are quite clever I believe, or can they only tell the state of a child's health by hooking them up to "complicated machines"?

Necessity being the mother of invention one wonders why anyone would bother to waste their time inventing such "complicated machines" [your terminaolgy not mine] if they could be dispensed with when doctors were around.

[faithlilly]

It seems that you are of the opinion that the McCanns gave all their children dangerous levels of some mystery drug that only acts as a sedative when given to excess and is especially dangerous when given to children.  It seems you believe that the McCanns discovered one of their kids dead as adirect or indirect result and were quite prepared to let both their other kids die in their arms that night.  Just what sort of monsters do you actually think these people are?!  Previously you have claimed that the McCanns were generally loving and caring parents, but how could yumpossibly hold that view?  They can only be described as evil and sick if you truly believe they would do that.  So come on, cut to the chase.

I'm merely stating facts. Two physicians, one trained in anaesthetics, found two unresponsive children who they believed had had an unknown drug administered yet did nothing to inform anyone in an official capacity of their concerns. As a doctor if you had done that in any ER department you would have been the subject of, at the very least, disciplinary action. Can you argue with any of that?

[G-Unit]

I didn't say that.  What i said was that the cardiologist (Gerry) would be able to recognise vital signs of heart problems.  Someone suggested about heart problems IIRC

And the aneathatist (Kate) would be able to recognise any vital signs of breathing problems

Then there was a raft of other doctors to help if any other signs showed.



They had the situation under control BUT THEY WANTED THE PJ TO TEST to see if the twins had any sedative in their bodies.   
Because that could have pointed towards the involvement of the staff making and serving tea.


Seems that for some reason either Amaral couldn't be bothered, or
... did not want them tested    &%+((£

All IMO

Please provide your evidence showing that either of the parents asked any PJ officer at any point to test the twins for sedation. Even Kate McCann has never claimed she asked the GNR or the PJ to do that.

Two FLO's say they mentioned sedation, but not in relation to testing the twins, it was evidence already in the PJ's possession they were interested in.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

[Robittybob1]

You can prove that of course ?

You must accept it didn't happen.  So the only bit is that they asked for it and that is coveredf in G-unit's post.

Please provide your evidence showing that either of the parents asked any PJ officer at any point to test the twins for sedation. Even Kate McCann has never claimed she asked the GNR or the PJ to do that.

Two FLO's say they mentioned sedation, but not in relation to testing the twins, it was evidence already in the PJ's possession they were interested in.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

OK the twins are not specifically mentioned but if for a moment the PJ think that the sedation of the twins might facilitate the abduction they would logically be the ones to test, for Madeleine isn't there is she.

[Alfie]

I'm merely stating facts. Two physicians, one trained in anaesthetics, found two unresponsive children who they believed had had an unknown drug administered yet did nothing to inform anyone in an official capacity of their concerns. As a doctor if you had done that in any ER department you would have been the subject of, at the very least, disciplinary action. Can you argue with any of that?

You are not thinkng logically IMO.  I have already said what I think.  I have already pointed out the extraordinary circumstances they found themselves in, and the fact that there were probably more doctors in Apartment 5a that night than there were on call in the local hospital.  Doctors can and do monitor the health of patients without the need to always hook them up to "complicated machines".   The fact is the McCanns DID draw attention to possible sedation of the children which certainly is not something I would do if I had been regularly administering overdses of a mystery drug to my own children.  It's inviting the authorities to uncover their evil secret and certain to make them strongly suspect they had a hand in their child's disappearance.