Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[faithlilly]

IMO you obviously find the above to be illogical.     People in deep shock do not behave in a logical manner.  Surely from your own point of view you are simply proving that point with those two examples?

From my own POV - I don't find anything the McCanns did to be 'sinister' in any way.   Their reactions were their reactions.  You may find their reactions do not conform with how you you would have reacted - but they are not you are they?

There is a myriad of possible different reactions by human beings to severe trauma.   None of them are wrong - just different.

So do you believe Kate raised her concerns with the PJ even the translator doesn't mention it, neither do any officers from the GNR or the PJ or her friends and indeed Gerry himself denies it happened?

[Lace]

Kate was controlled enough to ask for a priest but not medical help. Really?

And Gerry was controlled enough to phone and text family and friends but not ask for an ambulance. Really?

Kate asked for a priest as she was distraught about Madeleine and felt desperate enough to think that praying would help.   Are you unable to imagine what this woman was going through?  Fiona was there with the twins,  Kate was hardly functioning.   

[Lace]

So do you believe Kate raised her concerns with the PJ even the translator doesn't mention it, neither do any officers from the GNR or the PJ or her friends and indeed Gerry himself denies it happened?

Strange how three months later the Officer mentions that the twins were sleeping through the noise,  how would he know this was normal or not.   I know children who have slept through an open concert with loud music playing.

Three months later when Amaral gives his theory about a sleepy Madeleine who had been given Calpol to help her sleep.

[Benice]

So do you believe Kate raised her concerns with the PJ even the translator doesn't mention it, neither do any officers from the GNR or the PJ or her friends and indeed Gerry himself denies it happened?

Just because it isn't recorded in the files that we have access to doesn't mean it didn't happen.  There must have been hundreds of conversations going on between various people during that time that have not been mentioned in the summaries.     

We do know that on the 5th May the FLO's were asked to make enquiries to the PJ on the McCanns behalf re the possibility of drug use.    I doubt if the FLO would make that claim if they didn't carry it through.    What we don't know is whether they got a reply or not.   If the PJ did not reply - would they want that fact to enter the public domain?   Is there a statement somewhere that was not released.  Who knows

What we do know is that we only have access to SOME of the overall information known to OG and the Oporto team - and we have no idea what has been held back or why - which is why I think it's a mistake to keep coming to conclusions as if we do have ALL the information - when we clearly don't.

It may be that many of the 'debates' we have on here are subjects which SY and the Oporto team do not have to query or investigate - because they already have the answers in the files that we don't have access to.


AIMHO

[Alice Purjorick]

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For sure.  If they are able to read and comprehend English they will be sure to see there has been no "volte face" from me, only a silly bit of grandstanding from yourself.

Perhaps you could explain how having knowledge of fluid dynamics together with how to apply that knowledge to atmospehere* control and the equipment needed is "grandstanding" ?. It was the principle of the subject under discussion after all or had you not realised that?

* in the wider sense of the word.

[ShiningInLuz]

Just because it isn't recorded in the files that we have access to doesn't mean it didn't happen.  There must have been hundreds of conversations going on between various people during that time that have not been mentioned in the summaries.     

We do know that on the 5th May the FLO's were asked to make enquiries to the PJ on the McCanns behalf re the possibility of drug use.    I doubt if the FLO would make that claim if they didn't carry it through.    What we don't know is whether they got a reply or not.   If the PJ did not reply - would they want that fact to enter the public domain?   Is there a statement somewhere that was not released.  Who knows

What we do know is that we only have access to SOME of the overall information known to OG and the Oporto team - and we have no idea what has been held back or why - which is why I think it's a mistake to keep coming to conclusions as if we do have ALL the information - when we clearly don't.

It may be that many of the 'debates' we have on here are subjects which SY and the Oporto team do not have to query or investigate - because they already have the answers in the files that we don't have access to.


AIMHO

This is a bucket load of speculation wrapped around a paucity of facts.

If the anti-McCanns did this, the supporters would be crying foul.

[Alfie]

Perhaps you could explain how having knowledge of fluid dynamics together with how to apply that knowledge to atmospehere* control and the equipment needed is "grandstanding" ?. It was the principle of the subject under discussion after all or had you not realised that?

* in the wider sense of the word.

Sure, I'll explain it just as soon as I get your explanation of my "volte face".

[Alfie]

This is a bucket load of speculation wrapped around a paucity of facts.

If the anti-McCanns did this, the supporters would be crying foul.

But you wouldn't be pointing it out in that case would you?

[ferryman]

This is a bucket load of speculation wrapped around a paucity of facts.

If the anti-McCanns did this, the supporters would be crying foul.

The anti-McCanns do it all the time.

Secret discussions we are not privy to that, apparently, explain (away) gaping contradictions between Amaral's book and that recorded in the files.

[Alice Purjorick]

Sure, I'll explain it just as soon as I get your explanation of my "volte face".

We have heard him use that ploy before haven't we Billy?
Either you can or you can't chum, it is not dependant upon anything else.

[ShiningInLuz]

But you wouldn't be pointing it out in that case would you?

Why ever not?  I am supposed to be pruning back speculation.

I note that the two replies do not contest that the bulk of the post I mentioned was speculation.

[Alfie]

We have heard him use that ploy before haven't we Billy?
Either you can or you can't chum, it is not dependant upon anything else.

What?  Your post makes no sense.  You accused me of a "volte face" - now put up the evidence of this volte face or admit you were mistaken.

[Alfie]

Why ever not?  I am supposed to be pruning back speculation.

I note that the two replies do not contest that the bulk of the post I mentioned was speculation.

It's just that I never see you criticise "sceptics" posts, but perhaps that is because their posts all make perfect sense, include no speculation and are all very respectful of Portugal, the Portuguese and that. 

[Benice]

This is a bucket load of speculation wrapped around a paucity of facts.

If the anti-McCanns did this, the supporters would be crying foul.

In your opinion.   IMO it goes without saying that experts who have all the available evidence to hand, are  in a far better position to re-investigate this case and arrive at correct conclusions than people like us who have no access at all to some of that evidence -  no access to witnesses -  and are not experts.      That's not speculation it's merely a simple fact of life IMO.

[Robittybob1]

In your opinion.   IMO it goes without saying that experts who have all the available evidence to hand, are  in a far better position to re-investigate this case and arrive at correct conclusions than people like us who have no access at all to some of that evidence -  no access to witnesses -  and are not experts.      That's not speculation it's merely a simple fact of life IMO.

Hit the nail on the head there IMO!