Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alfie]

No I wasn't there but we have the statements of at least 5 witnesses who were and they all say the twins were unresponsive. Kate also says she raised her concerns with regard to the unresponsiveness of the twins with police officers. Would she have done that, or even claim to have done it, if the unresponsiveness of the twins wasn't marked?

Cites please for the above in bold.
Given that you have just informed us that "you don't have to be a doctor/anaesthetist to know that if a child is unresponsive with an unknown drug you get it to a hospital as soon as possible" why did not one of these at least five witnesses call an ambulance straight away?

[Robittybob1]

Actions such as placing a hand on the backs of children to check for signs of life? Facts such as Madeleine reporting that her siblings cried the night before? Kate was interviewed on 8th August, she says;

Was there anything else I wanted to add? Anything else unusual that had occurred that night? Of course there wasn’t. If there had been I would have told them on 3 May. I’d recounted absolutely everything and anything – more than they wanted or needed to know, probably, just in case some triviality I recalled might be significant. How could they think I would hold something back that might help my daughter? [Madeleine]

Everything except the possible sedation of her other children, it seems.

Kate is talking about facts not suspicions.

[ShiningInLuz]

Not everything could have been reported if you compare the lengths of the interviews and the length of the statements
Kate may well have mentioned it we just don't know

We do, and that is the point.

[Brietta]

Feel free to thrash this point as much as you wish.

Sedation was important for two key reasons.

First was the health of the twins.  Presumably when Kate left them alone with a supposed abductor around in order to inform the T9 that Madeleine was gone, neither an abductor or sedation was uppermost in her mind.  Because if either was, then I would class that as a major fail.

Second was the evidence.  Failing to inform the PJ about possible sedation would also be a major fail, assuming it was suspected.  That would have been a key piece of evidence, vital in the police quest.  Yet this does not enter the statements of the T9 contemporaneous to Madeleine's disappearance.

Please don't trot out the 'well it may be that not everything was recorded' tripe.  That would be libelling the PJ officers doing the interviews and the interpreters.

Not even Kate claims she raised it with the Portuguese authorities.  Thus claims otherwise are pure speculation.  And we know what happens to pure speculation on this forum.

How many individuals actually knew first hand of any concerns which may have been expressed regarding deeply sleeping children?

Nor did a traumatised mother whose elder daughter was missing have to report anything to officers who were present and who observed the deeply sleeping children.
What exactly was their function ... apart from observing "praying Arabs"?

If no action was taken I think that after sixty five pages of discourse ... it might be safely assumed that no action was necessary as far as the well being of the children was concerned.
A different story regarding the conduct of the investigation, though.  Bearing in mind that responsibility lay entirely with the investigators and not the victims.

[Robittybob1]

Why would Fiona second guess their own mother ? Kate was a qualified anaesthetist too.

Good questions.

[Alfie]

Good questions.

To which I provided good answers> 

[faithlilly]

Cites please for the above in bold.
Given that you have just informed us that "you don't have to be a doctor/anaesthetist to know that if a child is unresponsive with an unknown drug you get it to a hospital as soon as possible" why did not one of these at least five witnesses call an ambulance straight away?

Cites? They are liberally littered throughout this thread.
Why was an ambulance not called? Haven't a clue but it should have been.

[Alfie]

Cites? They are liberally littered throughout this thread.
Why was an ambulance not called? Haven't a clue but it should have been.

I have not seen at least five individual cites that the twins were "unresponsive" - kindly provide them as per forum rules thanks.

[ShiningInLuz]

which of the above instructions in bold would you like me to comply with?  Confused of Tunbridge Wells.

I don't have any issue with anyone contributing on this topic.  Contribution is good and is to be encouraged, IMO.

But pure speculation, without evidence - that is out.

Libelling a number of PJ inspectors, and translators - each of whom can be identified by name from the statements - that is out.

If Alice is correct, salmon fishing starts on the 17th.  There is NO open hunting season on Portuguese authorities.  Evidence-based claims are fine.  The rest is NOT.

[ShiningInLuz]

How many individuals actually knew first hand of any concerns which may have been expressed regarding deeply sleeping children?

Nor did a traumatised mother whose elder daughter was missing have to report anything to officers who were present and who observed the deeply sleeping children.
What exactly was their function ... apart from observing "praying Arabs"?

If no action was taken I think that after sixty five pages of discourse ... it might be safely assumed that no action was necessary as far as the well being of the children was concerned.
A different story regarding the conduct of the investigation, though.  Bearing in mind that responsibility lay entirely with the investigators and not the victims.

The victim was Madeleine.

[stephen25000]

Is it usual for the NHS to allow unqualified individuals to practice as registrars in anaesthetics in British hospitals?

Kate Healey worked as a registrar in anaesthesia in Glasgow and later in Leicester after their move there.

Why on earth do you feel the need to destroy and belittle this couple's characters as well as denying them professional qualifications for which they have worked and earned and to which they are entirely entitled?

You have posted misinformation on the thread, please amend it.

No I will not.

What I quoted came from the General Medical Council.

FACT.

Kate McCann is not a specialist in Anaesthetics.

FACT.


Fiona Payne became one in 2010.


FACT.


If you are saying otherwise, CITE your source(s).

[stephen25000]

Kate is talking about facts not suspicions.

Kate McCann did not know the other 2 children were asleep.

[Alfie]

The victim was Madeleine.

Yes she was, her parents and family were also victims.  To deny this is so is extremely cruel imo.

[Brietta]

A Registrar is a hospital junior doctor grade, not a qualification.

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It really is very sad that there are those who cannot bear to give the McCanns credit where credit is due particularly as far as their professional qualifications are concerned.

[Robittybob1]

Her friend was by her side yet didn't notice. Her husband didn't notice either. Yet, strangely, almost to a man the people in the apartment that night heard Kate asking for a priest. Selective hearing indeed.

You've hit the nail on the head for a change.