Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[G-Unit]

If it was a fact that it was 100%  impossible for the tests to show what had happened 5 (?) months earlier - then there would have been no point in having them in the first place.      Of course had the tests revealed positive results then no doubt some sceptics would be claiming that as proof that Kate was in the habit of giving her children drugs  IMO.

The negative results showed that not to be the case - which concurs with evidence from other people who knew them well enough to have an informed opinion.    I doubt if anyone as health conscious as Kate, that a rich tea biscuit was regarded as a major treat, would be putting even Calpol into her children's systems unless it was really necessary.

IMO

The point seems to have been this;

it meant nobody else (including the
PJ and the media) could prove otherwise. [Madeleine]

In other words the rumours of sedation couldn't be proved either way.

[Robittybob1]

I have previously made the point that Kate may have asked for the twins to be tested for sedatives but the translator didn't pass on the information.

We have another example of where a translator fails to record some important aspect of a witness statement and this is found in Jane tanner's rogatory interview.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
"Reply    “Mmm, you see I said earlier, I didn’t think the turn up bit had gone into this description but I do remember very clearly, the Translator, during my second interview, when I said in the second interview about the turn ups, she sort of said yes I can remember you, can remember you saying that cos erm”.
4078    “So it was said, it just might not have been in it”?
 Reply    “It was definitely, it was definitely said and I said and the Translator, I can remember sort of, she said, oh yes I can remember you doing these sort of hand movements so, I can’t prove that but”.
4078    “She didn’t say you did the lobster thing then”?
 Reply    “Afraid not”.
4078    “No”.
 Reply    “So yeah it did worry me that that wasn’t in the”."


The gist of that is that things were said and described but were omitted from the statement. 
What I would like to know is whether the interpreters were getting instructions in Portuguese not to record certain facts on the witness statements.

[sadie]

I have previously made the point that Kate may have asked for the twins to be tested for sedatives but the translator didn't pass on the information.

We have another example of where a translator fails to record some important aspect of a witness statement and this is found in Jane tanner's rogatory interview.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
"Reply    “Mmm, you see I said earlier, I didn’t think the turn up bit had gone into this description but I do remember very clearly, the Translator, during my second interview, when I said in the second interview about the turn ups, she sort of said yes I can remember you, can remember you saying that cos erm”.
4078    “So it was said, it just might not have been in it”?
 Reply    “It was definitely, it was definitely said and I said and the Translator, I can remember sort of, she said, oh yes I can remember you doing these sort of hand movements so, I can’t prove that but”.
4078    “She didn’t say you did the lobster thing then”?
 Reply    “Afraid not”.
4078    “No”.
 Reply    “So yeah it did worry me that that wasn’t in the”."


The gist of that is that things were said and described but were omitted from the statement. 
What I would like to know is whether the interpreters were getting instructions in Portuguese not to record certain facts on the witness statements.

Well spotted Rob

How interesting, so stuff was omitted from her statement that Jane said.


This means that we cant trust the statements to include everything said by witnesses, does it not ?

I wonder why stuff was missed out ?   &%+((£

[Lace]

Well spotted Rob

How interesting, so stuff was omitted from her statement that Jane said.


This means that we cant trust the statements to include everything said by witnesses, does it not ?

I wonder why stuff was missed out ?   &%+((£

I don't find Silvia a very reliable translator,   she got a few things wrong in her statement,  and seemed to 'remember'  things later,  but only things that cast doubt on the abduction.

[ShiningInLuz]

I don't find Silvia a very reliable translator,   she got a few things wrong in her statement,  and seemed to 'remember'  things later,  but only things that cast doubt on the abduction.

Are you referring to Silvia Batista above?

Jane's first two statements were translated by the same translator, but it wasn't Silvia Batista.

[Robittybob1]

Are you referring to Silvia Batista above?

Jane's first two statements were translated by the same translator, but it wasn't Silvia Batista.

So the problem was with more than one translator.
That is why I was wondering if the PJ were not manipulating what is being written down by instructing the translator in Portuguese what is acceptable to be recorded or not.

[ShiningInLuz]

So the problem was with more than one translator.
That is why I was wondering if the PJ were not manipulating what is being written down by instructing the translator in Portuguese what is acceptable to be recorded or not.

You have not got close to proving an issue with the translation that was done by Silvia Batista on the night Madeleine disappeared.

You have not got close to proving an issue with the translation of Jane Tanner's first two statements.

To claim 'the problem was with more than one translator' is therefore unfounded.

[Robittybob1]

You have not got close to proving an issue with the translation that was done by Silvia Batista on the night Madeleine disappeared.

You have not got close to proving an issue with the translation of Jane Tanner's first two statements.

To claim 'the problem was with more than one translator' is therefore unfounded.

So would you go so far as saying Jane was lying about that problem with her translator in her rogatory statement?
It is in the file recorded that Jane complains about the translator.  The evidence is in my favour on that one.

Silvia is a different situation, where we have multiple statements and writings saying that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs, and the GNR and PJ are not told about this on the morning of the 4th.  I blame the translator for she is there to transmit the concerns of Kate.  Emma Knight is also in the apartment and Silvia doesn't mention her being present, so no one can claim she tells it all as it is. OK I can't prove that Silvia withheld the request, but neither can anyone bar the SY or the PJ prove the opposite.  The case needs further investigation.

[ShiningInLuz]

So would you go so far as saying Jane was lying about that problem with her translator in her rogatory statement?
It is in the file recorded that Jane complains about the translator.  The evidence is in my favour on that one.

Silvia is a different situation, where we have multiple statements and writings saying that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs, and the GNR and PJ are not told about this on the morning of the 4th.  I blame the translator.  OK I can't prove it but neither can anyone prove the opposite.

No, what I do not do, unless I can fully support it with credible evidence, is to pick out a person and state that they are lying.

The rogatories were a long time later.  Memories evolve over time.  Therefore I have no reason to call Jane a liar, as opposed to being someone who misremembered.

Silvia Batista is most definitely NOT a different situation.  The only piece of independent, reliable evidence about sedation appears in two FLO statements, which are also far from contemporaneous.  A summation of the pertinent point is that the McCanns wanted to know if there was evidence that Madeleine had been sedated.  This is totally different to requesting that the twins be tested.

You are stating that Silvia Batista withheld vital evidence without a shred of proof that she did.  That is called libel.

I hope you actually understand what libel is, because if you persist in this vein, it will result in more than a simple deletion of your offending post.

[Robittybob1]

Do you know her?  Has she commented on my proposition?

[Robittybob1]

Correction: "we have multiple statements and writings saying that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs,..."

I should make it clear "we have multiple statements and writings saying (directly or indirectly) that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs ...."
I heard it repeated in the Panorama documentary too in Gerry's own words.
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=930 to
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=952

[Robittybob1]

SIL you might have missed my edit "OK I can't prove that Silvia withheld the request, but neither can anyone, bar the SY or the PJ, prove the opposite.  The case needs further investigation."

[Robittybob1]

I heard it repeated in the Panorama documentary too in Gerry's own words.
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=930 to
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=952

[ShiningInLuz]

Correction: "we have multiple statements and writings saying that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs,..."

I should make it clear "we have multiple statements and writings saying (directly or indirectly) that the McCanns wanted the twins tested for drugs ...."
I heard it repeated in the Panorama documentary too in Gerry's own words.
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=930 to
https://youtu.be/Zqoj-pfBUnY?t=952

There is "NOTHING" in that segment where the McCanns asked for the twins to be tested.  Gerry - "which does make me wonder if there was (sic) any substances used to keep them asleep".

Gerry's alleged wonderings do not equal the McCanns asked for the twins to be tested.  Nowhere close.

[Alfie]

According to Amaral the twins did wake up that night - from his book:

– The twins only woke up when they were being transferred to the other apartment. They sleep deeply, those English children…

So if he is to be believed (and why would he lie?) then this would probably explain why Kate McCann did not feel the need to rush her children to hospital.  They woke up and so were not unresponsive.