CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.

[Alice Purjorick]

You'd think there should be wouldn't you, or is it one of those fields where anyone can set up a business claiming to be a VRD handler if they have a dog and an interest in finding dead things?

Spot on.
"Although there is no formal set of qualifications needed to work as a dog handler, you will have to meet the entry requirements of the organisation you are planning on working for".

There is no institute to govern doggies and handlers such as is found in all branches of engineering to govern engineers professional activities and qualifications .

[Alfie]

Spot on.
"Although there is no formal set of qualifications needed to work as a dog handler, you will have to meet the entry requirements of the organisation you are planning on working for".

There is no institute to govern doggies and handlers such as is found in all branches of engineering to govern engineers professional activities and qualifications .

What does this refer to then?
I am a U.K.A.C.P.O. (Association of Chief Police Officers, England and Wales) accredited police dog training instructor. I am a Subject Matter Expert in forensic canine search and on the N.P.I.A. (National Policing Improvement Agency) Expert Advisers database.

I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation.

I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training.

I am regularly deployed to homicide cases within my portfolio and form a  'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys and USA.

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs:

'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).

'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel bitch who is trained as an Human blood search dog (C.S.I. dog).

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

What does this refer to then?
I am a U.K.A.C.P.O. (Association of Chief Police Officers, England and Wales) accredited police dog training instructor. I am a Subject Matter Expert in forensic canine search and on the N.P.I.A. (National Policing Improvement Agency) Expert Advisers database.

I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation.

I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training.

I am regularly deployed to homicide cases within my portfolio and form a  'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys and USA.

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs:

'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).

'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel bitch who is trained as an Human blood search dog (C.S.I. dog).

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I don't know ; you dug it up you tell me what it refers to. It seems to fit in with the bit I quoted : "you will have to meet the entry requirements of the organisation you are planning on working for".
When you find an organistion equivalent to IMechE, CITB or UKAS that govern doggies and their handlers let me know. Until then I'll go with:
"Although there is no formal set of qualifications needed to work as a dog handler, you will have to meet the entry requirements of the organisation you are planning on working for".

[misty]

Is there a professional association for what he does?

There is a lot more than just forensic canine handling displayed on the website.

[ferryman]

Grime owns and runs his own small company, from which, I assume, he draws a salary.

At one time there was a blurb on a web-site written by the person who manages the club (I believe, Liz Hann?) listing all the employees working at the club, including Grime and saying about him: we are lucky to have him.

In fairness, I have no particular reason to doubt that he does (or did) give the club good value.

[Alice Purjorick]

@ Alfie & Misty:
Do you accept the website is that of a Limited Company ?
It is a simple question to which the answer is either yes or no not a ream of twaddle or 20 metres of cut and paste.

[misty]

@ Alfie & Misty:
Do you accept the website is that of a Limited Company ?
It is a simple question to which the answer is either yes or no not a ream of twaddle or 20 metres of cut and paste.

Yes - why?

[Alfie]

@ Alfie & Misty:
Do you accept the website is that of a Limited Company ?
It is a simple question to which the answer is either yes or no not a ream of twaddle or 20 metres of cut and paste.

Ask the question again but without the rudeness and I will answer.

[Alice Purjorick]

Ask the question again but without the rudeness and I will answer.

Suit yourself.

[Alice Purjorick]

Yes - why?

It relates to whether Mr Grime's credentials would/would not be put on the web site. As there is no nationally recognised accredition body the company can do little other than say the personnel and equipment are trained and tested at regular intervals.

Cutting to the chase were I thinking of employing the organisation I would at the time of RTQ ask to look at their insurances EL, PL, CAR & PI. Oddly only EL is a legal requirement. Absence of the others unless the company is cash filthyrich enough to self insure would be a show stopper.
In the absence of an institute or nationally recognised accreditation authority I would also look for at least two references I could visit.
What I wouldn't do is the ask the opinion of internet punters who were taking sides in a controversial case the company had been involved in.

[misty]

It relates to whether Mr Grime's credentials would/would not be put on the web site. As there is no nationally recognised accredition body the company can do little other than say the personnel and equipment are trained and tested at regular intervals.

Cutting to the chase were I thinking of employing the organisation I would at the time of RTQ ask to look at their insurances EL, PL, CAR & PI. Oddly only EL is a legal requirement. Absence of the others unless the company is cash filthyrich enough to self insure would be a show stopper.
In the absence of an institute or nationally recognised accreditation authority I would also look for at least two references I could visit.
What I wouldn't do is the ask the opinion of internet punters who were taking sides in a controversial case the company had been involved in.

Here's an example of a website which provides accreditation from various bodies in connection with its dogs & also confirms the frequency with which the handlers attend NPCC training (NPCC has replaced ACPO).
http://www.k9patrol.co.uk/our-accreditations
There seem to be several people advertising specialist dog training in the UK on the internet, including this company employing a specialist https://www.facebook.com/events/1011861982226551/.
With reference to EL Insurance, GSSi lists no employees therefore no EL is required. I presume when work outside MG's own speciality is contracted out he ensures that the contractor has appropriate PL insurance.
The opinion on Grime's business was raised by a poster & sanctioned by a mod. Perhaps it's a topic which shouldn't be here at all.

[G-Unit]

At one time there was a blurb on a web-site written by the person who manages the club (I believe, Liz Hann?) listing all the employees working at the club, including Grime and saying about him: we are lucky to have him.

In fairness, I have no particular reason to doubt that he does (or did) give the club good value.

I think we are at cross purposes. Martin Grime owns and works through GSS Ltd. Liz Han, as far as I can see, is associated with Abingdon Dog Training Club.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/training/good-citizen-dog-training-scheme/information-for-dog-owners/good-citizen-dog-scheme-training-clubs/dog-training-clubs-in-oxfordshire/

[faithlilly]

Upon the use of his expertise by some of the most highly respected law enforcement agencies in the world. Do you doubt his expertise?

[Alfie]

Upon the use of his expertise by some of the most highly respected law enforcement agencies in the world. Do you doubt his expertise?

So it's your view that anyone who is employed by the police on a regular basis must be entirely above criticism or have his abilities questioned or doubted, correct?

[ferryman]

Upon the use of his expertise by some of the most highly respected law enforcement agencies in the world. Do you doubt his expertise?

Dunno.

Who employs him now?