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Alfie

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Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2017, 12:20:55 PM »
Well he was certainly working as a special agent for the FBI's Speciality Dog Unit at Quantico in 2014. Does that qualify as 'regular' enough ?
I don't know - how long did he do that for, how regularly were he and his team utilized in 2014, is he still there, if not why not, etc.

Offline faithlilly

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2017, 12:24:15 PM »
I don't know - how long did he do that for, how regularly were he and his team utilized in 2014, is he still there, if not why not, etc.

Give it up Alfie  @)(++(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2017, 12:28:12 PM »
Well he was certainly working as a special agent for the FBI's Speciality Dog Unit at Quantico in 2014. Does that qualify as 'regular' enough ?
That could be three years ago.

Is that regular working?

Alfie

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Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2017, 12:40:52 PM »
Give it up Alfie  @)(++(*
So you don't know then, OK.

Offline G-Unit

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #109 on: January 13, 2017, 01:41:22 PM »
That could be three years ago.

Is that regular working?

It's not necessary to have knowledge of every job done by Grime in the last ten years. We know he has done enough to keep himself and to keep his company solvent. We know that he has worked with English and Scottish Police Forces. We know he has travelled to the US to work for the FBI, so he is a nationally and internationally known and valued operative. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that he is incompetent.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #110 on: January 13, 2017, 02:46:06 PM »
From the photo posted Grime is in the background and is part of a team
Not head and shoulders above anyone
« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 05:09:45 PM by John »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #111 on: January 13, 2017, 06:45:03 PM »
Mr Grime set up a company in June 2009 thus far [FY ended 31st Dec 2015] the company has not returned a trading loss. Something like £135k has been carried from the P & L to the shareholders.
What we don't know is how GSSI Ltd pay Mr Grime but that doesn't really matter in the general scheme of the thread title.
So hardly an ignominious failure.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 05:13:49 PM by John »
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ferryman

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Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #112 on: January 17, 2017, 06:19:06 PM »
Can we gauge Grime's competency as a canine handler by his work after PdL?

This is what the enquiry into the Haut de la Garenne enquiry had to say about Grime's contribution at Haut de la Garenne:

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3.10.11 We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced
Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation
Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that
Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five
days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.
3.10.12 The forensic review carried out by    X of the NPIA
questioned the presence of Martin GRIME on site for such a long
time. X , was informed that Martin GRIME had been
acting as a Deputy Crime Scene Manager to Forensic Service
Manager X , at the request of DCO HARPER.
The forensic
review noted Martin GRIME’s lack of formal training or qualifications
to perform the role of Deputy Forensic Service Manager and that to
utilise him in this role ‘cannot be recognised as good practice’. The
review also noted that ‘there was concern from some persons
interviewed that too much reliance had been placed on the dogs’. It is
accepted that dogs are ‘presumptive screening assets’ only and that
any alerts or indications they give must be forensically corroborated.
In addition, it is a fact that there were no concise terms of reference
for the deployment of Martin GRIME and his EVRD or his subsequent
use as a search advisor, apparently with the support of
DCO HARPER.
3.10.13 CO POWER himself states ‘the search dog seemed to play a
significant role in determining whether a specific location needed to
be examined further. I am not an expert on dogs or what they do’.
3.10.14 Again, there is a distinct lack of documentary evidence to show any
intrusive supervision of the SIO with regard to the continued search.
This Inquiry concludes that the actions of DCO HARPER and
Martin GRIME went unsupervised for some considerable time. To
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Supervision Highly Confidential – Personal Information
CO POWER’s credit, there is an e-mail exchange between him and
DCO HARPER dated 10 May 2008 in which CO POWER raises the
question of the continued use of Martin GRIME and his EVRD. He
says ‘Lenny, it has struck me for some time that he [Mr GRIME] is an
expensive resource who has more than his fair shared of down time’.
DCO HARPER replied in the same e-mail string ‘to be fair to him
though, he hasn’t got much down time as he is also the NPIA search
coordinator and is fully employed’. CO POWER replies ‘Thanks.
Better understood now’. CO POWER does not appear to pursue the
matter further.
3.10.15 However, DCO HARPER’s reply was not factually accurate.
Martin GRIME was neither an NPIA search advisor nor fully
employed. In his statement, Martin GRIME states that ‘I am a Subject
Matter Expert registered with the UK National Policing Improvement
Agency and specialist homicide canine search advisor… I advise
Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of police dogs in the role of homicide
investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable
evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training’. His expertise lay
purely in the use of dogs in searching, not as a 'search co-ordinator'.
3.10.16 OFFICER X notes that during conversation with X, CO POWER
accepted that ‘the dog was ‘probably unreliable’ and that the dog
handler, GRIME, had too much influence over the enquiry, again,
Mr POWER didn’t say how he managed or dealt with that issue’. This
Inquiry has been unable to establish whether CO POWER made any
further attempts to supervise the SIO in this key part of the
investigation.
3.10.17 OFFICER X concludes ‘decisions should be made based on
professional policing judgement and evidence. When you look at the
facts, the excavation and searching of Haut De La Garenne… was
not justified’.
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Supervision Highly Confidential – Personal Information
 Conclusion
3.10.18 There are two significant issues in relation to the search of Haut de la
Garenne. Firstly, whether the search was justified and secondly,
whether CO POWER supervised the decision-making process, given
the significance of the search and what it implied about Operation
Rectangle.
3.1019 Operation Haven concludes that the decision to dig at Haut de la
Garenne was questionable. DCO HARPER was not trained to an
acceptable level and, in the case of CO POWER, we note his own
admission that he had no current training ‘in the oversight of such
investigations’. Nevertheless, this Inquiry can conceive why, in all
circumstances, it may have been considered reasonable to do so.
We do not raise formal criticism of DCO HARPER or CO POWER for
their decision to do so. We do point out however, that the decision to
search having been made, the risks in terms of public and media
speculation about police activity, if reported, should have been
predicted and carefully planned for.
3.10.20 The decision to search Haut de la Garenne and the far reaching
consequences for Jersey, its people and its reputation, should have
been foreseen. More thought and objectivity should have been
applied to the decision-making process and managing the aftermath.
We have found no evidence that CO POWER applied his mind
properly or at all to the implications of the search prior to its
commencement. This Inquiry is left with the impression that
CO POWER’s passive acceptance of the opinion of the SIO was
exacerbated by his own lack of experience.

I guess it was outside their remit to research the true provenance of the 'enhanced' status of Grime's cadaver dog.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 06:23:09 PM by ferryman »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #113 on: January 17, 2017, 06:59:18 PM »
Can we gauge Grime's competency as a canine handler by his work after PdL?

This is what the enquiry into the Haut de la Garenne enquiry had to say about Grime's contribution at Haut de la Garenne:

I guess it was outside their remit to research the true provenance of the 'enhanced' status of Grime's cadaver dog.

The article you have posted says that the excavations at HDG
Which ere prompted by the dog alerts
Were unjustified
Another vote for the unreliability of the alerts
Gerry was absolutely right
« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 07:24:29 PM by davel »

Offline John

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #114 on: January 23, 2017, 08:03:46 PM »
This thread is under reconstruction.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: CSI and cadaver dog expert Martin Grime after Portugal.
« Reply #115 on: January 23, 2017, 11:08:16 PM »
This thread is under reconstruction.

Let's hope that Mr Grime has been in touch !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?