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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2017, 07:54:22 AM »
I writer who has always impressed me with his research is Textusa.
There is a article about SY investigating the OC management and he notices the same discrepancies I have noted in this thread.
http://textusa1.rssing.com/chan-26005015/all_p4.html
"b. Group 2 – The Ocean Club



This group is made up of John and Donna Hill, Silvia Baptista and Tiago da Silva.

Unlike what happened in July, when the resort was involved through a minor employee, a driver, Ocean Club has now been involved at managerial level by SY. Nothing more, nothing less than 2 of them and the resort’s head of the maintenance.

Silvia Baptista“works at Ocean Club since 03/03/1986, as a receptionist for about a year and a half, and as head of Reception for about three years. After and until the present date, as a head of maintenance and services.”

We find it quite odd for the head of maintenance and services to be made aware of what happened by one of the Ocean Club Owners: “She is aware of the events that occurred in the Ocean Club resort, having had knowledge of the girl's disappearance, by 22H.30 on 03/05/2007, through a telephone call from the administrator George Robin Crosland”

And it becomes even more strange because on May 7, Crosland doesn’t remember this call: “That at around 22h15 of 03 May 2007, he was alone in his residence, situated in Lagos, and was contacted by John Hill, Mark Warner manager who works in the Ocean Club establishment and who informed him that a child, a minor, of the feminine sex, who was staying with her family in that resort, had disappeared and that he was going to initiate the 'procedure for missing child' (sic); . The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance;”

John Hill, the manager, arrives at the scene at 22.33 after “he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort”

So, John Hill calls George Crosland around 13 minutes before John Hill knows Maddie had gone missing and then Crosland doesn’t remember calling the head of maintenance who assures he did but who he, Crosland remembers seeing when he arrives on scene.

Why call the head of maintenance when one already has the manager engaged? See how strange it all seems?

Silvia remembers seeing a man that night who might have been Robert Murat but doesn’t confirm to be him:

“She remembers, although she is not absolutely certain, given the time already elapsed, that an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann.

She doesn't remember at what time she saw him.

She doesn't remember how he was dressed up.

She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Murat, his first name is ROBERT.

Robert speaks fluently English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR of Lagos and later the PJ, translating the testimony of some British persons.

She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.”

The head of maintenance is not a job where one is holed up in an office. After having worked in the Ocean Club for 21 years, in such small community, we wouldn’t say it was unlikely but affirm impossible for her not to know who Robert Murat was.

If she saw the man she says she saw then she had to know clearly whether this man was, or wasn’t, Robert Murat.

She speaks of him as if she’s never seen Robert Murat before in her life. A man whose girlfriend at the time was married to an employee she had fired. An expat who has a business in town and who lives in a villa less than fifty yards, if that, from one of the Blocks (Block 1) of the resort:



She speaks as if she only knew Murat’s father but never had seen his son.

And on May 15, she even doesn’t remember the first time she spoke to Robert Murat: “She clarifies that on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or even Monday (07-05-2007) she spoke to Robert for the first time, during breaks between interviews, where he was acting as translator.”

Silvia, it seems, has since been made redundant and no longer works for the Ocean Club.

Donna Hill, is the one the Portugal Resident says in the whooshed article on December 22, 2014 that “only last month, Ocean Club manager Donna Hill told us: “I really cannot comment. One day I would love to break my silence”” and is the one who is really optimistic concerning Mark Warner’s exit from the Ocean Club (their only operation in the Algarve) as per the same Portugal resident on January 8, 2015:

“But as Ocean Club manager Donna Hill told us, they were reacting without knowing the facts.

Mark Warner’s owners, Mark Chitty and Andrew Searle, had simply decided to offer the Ocean Club exclusively to travel company Thomas Cook.

Chitty and Searle’s holiday company has pulled out of Portugal - not because of any fall-off in business over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann but because Thomas Cook has offered them “a very good deal”, said Ms Hill.

“We’re all excited about it,” she added. “This is actually a golden opportunity for the Ocean Club as now everyone staying here will come from the same operator and we will be able to offer the same services for all our guests.

“This didn’t happen before as we had some people staying on the resort that came through Mark Warner and others that didn’t.

“It made organising activities extremely difficult, whereas now we’ll be able to put things on for everyone equally.

“We are all looking forward to it - and we’re hoping for an excellent 2015 season!””

Lastly on the list we have maintenance worker Tiago da Silva.

He’s brought to the case by the Express on February 9, 2014:

“The Sunday Express tracked down the maintenance worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a pretty coastal town.

When we put it to him that keys were lost, he paused momentarily before saying: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing. The keys in maintenance were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.””

However an unnamed colleague insisted:

“I know what he told me at the time. The keys for all the blocks were kept on a cable and clearly marked.

He said he had lost the keys to block five. He told me in the same week when the little girl went missing. I am sure of this.

From my memory I think they were replaced with duplicate keys for the apartments which were held at reception. I remember all this very clearly. He did not want us to tell people about it, so we didn’t say anything.”

This, according to Sunday Express suggested “the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys.”

Tiago da Silva, is in our opinion, the green plant in this group’s bouquet. To show Swinging BH Deciders that the burglary thesis hasn’t been abandoned completely.

But another way to look at Tiago da Silva being part of the list would be to highlight that from the Ocean Club 2 managers and 2 maintenance personnel were questioned, thus highlighting the maintenance area. You know, shutter fixings and washing machine operation lessons.

Laundryman has, for us, a completely specific reason to have been called, as we’ll explain.

SY by calling John Hill, Donna Hill, Silvia Batista and Tiago da Silva are clearly involving Ocean Club in this affair. Please add José da Silva, the driver who was given the arguido status in July 2014."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2017, 06:22:15 PM »
If there were as many inconsistencies in the Tapas 9 statements there would be plenty of criticism of the McCanns.  Yet here we have statements by the OC management that don't even join together properly, in fact so badly I can't put it down to bad memory on their part.
I Just hope SY can get to bottom of it and find the reason OC management are hiding something vital.  Once we know what they are hiding (I say hiding because of the awkward way all of their statements begin) we will have a clue as to what happened on that night.

Then we have a manager who has a conflict of interest acting as the main interpreter that night, fingers Robert Murat, criticises Jane Tanner and makes judgement calls on Gerry and Kate McCann.
Someone who doesn't mention the presence of Emma Knight who was there with her at all.
It doesn't seem right to me.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2017, 08:26:36 PM »
If there were as many inconsistencies in the Tapas 9 statements there would be plenty of criticism of the McCanns.  Yet here we have statements by the OC management that don't even join together properly, in fact so badly I can't put it down to bad memory on their part.
I Just hope SY can get to bottom of it and find the reason OC management are hiding something vital.  Once we know what they are hiding (I say hiding because of the awkward way all of their statements begin) we will have a clue as to what happened on that night.

Then we have a manager who has a conflict of interest acting as the main interpreter that night, fingers Robert Murat, criticises Jane Tanner and makes judgement calls on Gerry and Kate McCann.
Someone who doesn't mention the presence of Emma Knight who was there with her at all.
It doesn't seem right to me.

From which you conclude ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2017, 09:37:47 PM »
From which you conclude ?
As I said before I'd like to see their statements all start from at least 9:00 PM onward.
Trace their phone logs to confirm their new statements.
Check their alibis to confirm their new statements.

For example:
If Robin Crosland says John Hill rang him at 10:15 PM, why does John Hill say the first thing he knew was when Lyndsay rang him at 10:28 PM?  We have to wind the clock back to see where all their statements agree and then come forward again.

I must admit it seems rather impossible for I couldn't remember what happened on a certain day 10 years ago, but I have a feeling in this case something happened that they can't forget.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2017, 10:25:44 PM »
I'd love to know why Amaral didn't notice these glaring inconsistencies right at the beginning.  Maybe he needs to be questioned too.  That would be a laugh; to make him an arguido in this case.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2017, 06:24:34 AM »
Tiago da Silva.  - I don't know too much about this customer.  He has come up several times on the forum.
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Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. / Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« by Alice Purjorick on January 22, 2017, 09:15:27 PM »
......  worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a  ............  well planned and executed using stolen keys.”  Tiago da Silva, is in our opinion, the green plant in this group’ ............  abandoned completely.  But another way to look at Tiago da Silva being part of the list would be to highlight that  ......
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Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. / Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.
« by ShiningInLuz on May 15, 2016, 03:51:52 AM »
......  person was a prankster whom he did not like.  Tiago da Silva comes to mind, but there are so many da Silvas in  ......
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Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. / Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« by Robittybob1 on Today at 06:24:34 AM »
...... Tiago da Silva. - I don't know too much about this customer. ......
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« by ShiningInLuz on September 13, 2015, 12:53:42 PM »
......  McCann.  The e-fit and the sole photo (AFAIK) of Tiago da Silva are attached. Tiago was one of the 11 witnesses  ......
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......  worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a  ......
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Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. / Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« by pathfinder73 on February 09, 2014, 12:34:03 PM »
......  worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a  ......
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Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. / Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« by Mr Moderator on February 06, 2014, 01:50:32 PM »
......  guests were out.    DENIALS: Maintenance worker Tiago da Silva.  The Sunday Express tracked down the maintenance  ............  who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a  ......
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2017, 06:39:24 AM »
Could this be what was being covered up by the OC management?  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3367.msg126819#msg126819
"Apartment key theft cover-up by resort staff in Madeleine McCann case."
  I've seen that photo before.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3367.msg127775#msg127775
Pegasus pointed out what should have been done in this case:
Montclair: "From my experience working in a tourist resort in the Algarve, the locks on all of the apartments would have been replaced and new keys made."
Pegasus: "Yes that's what should happen.

Either way I dont see how maintenance department could get all those replacement keys from reception (or replacement locks fitted) without at least one worker at reception also knowing, and without at least one top manager also knowing.Yet zero employees/managers mention this in statements.

The involvement of reputation control peeps from day one obviously had nothing to do with it hopefully.

Of course this is all based on the generous assumption that the Express has accurately represented what was said by the two employees it interviewed."

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2017, 10:08:47 AM »
Why are we becoming hung up on the fact that keys could have gone missing or been stolen ?
Correct me if I am wrong but are apartments not rented out with keys given to every Tom Dick and Harry who rents the apartments such that they may gain access? In that event any Tom Dick or Harry could have the keys copied for any nefarious reason he may have had in mind.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2017, 10:13:48 AM »
Why are we becoming hung up on the fact that keys could have gone missing or been stolen ?
Correct me if I am wrong but are apartments not rented out with keys given to every Tom Dick and Harry who rents the apartments such that they may gain access? In that event any Tom Dick or Harry could have the keys copied for any nefarious reason he may have had in mind.
So are you saying a client could rent an apartment and copy a key, and then come back at sometime and commit a crime in that same apartment.  Yes that is possible but really unlikely.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2017, 10:25:59 AM »
So are you saying a client could rent an apartment and copy a key, and then come back at sometime and commit a crime in that same apartment.  Yes that is possible but really unlikely.

Why? But I was thinking more in terms of copying the key and passing it on.
Bearing in mind the "experts" on this case indicate that The Algarve is the paedophilia and child trafficking "capital" of the world I could imagine there being a roaring trade in keys to family apartments.
The lawless hinterland and all that bollox.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2017, 10:33:29 AM »
Why? But I was thinking more in terms of copying the key and passing it on.
Bearing in mind the "experts" on this case indicate that The Algarve is the paedophilia and child trafficking "capital" of the world I could imagine there being a roaring trade in keys to family apartments.
The lawless hinterland and all that bollox.
Every trick in the book has been played one time or another, anything is possible. 
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Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2017, 11:00:08 AM »
I'd love to know why Amaral didn't notice these glaring inconsistencies right at the beginning.  Maybe he needs to be questioned too.  That would be a laugh; to make him an arguido in this case.

This is also a possibility.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Silvia Batista have a conflict of interest acting as an interpreter?
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2017, 03:34:03 AM »
This is also a possibility.
That is right.  I'm taking a break and doing some manual work, but I'll keep reading the forum for while.
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