Jane Tanner's statements re: Murat made public in 2007

[Robittybob1]

Did you think these two guys are both Robert Murat? http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5701.msg281281#msg281281

[jassi]

No. Murat's sideburns (pic 2) look longer than those of the guy in pic 1
Glasses frames look different as well.

[ferryman]

Not that I mind, but we seem to have drifted somewhat from the thread title 

We have.

In fairness, though, I think it's long since established that Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat as the man she saw.

[Robittybob1]

No. Murat's sideburns (pic 2) look longer than those of the guy in pic 1

That's what I thought too and the length of hair.  Different top and trousers as  well.
Is that Jane Tanner?



So is one Robert Naylor (Jayne and Naylor) and the other Robert Murat talking to Balu?

Maybe the top one RM has had a recent hair cut.  And taken on a different day.

[slartibartfast]

We have.

In fairness, though, I think it's long since established that Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat as the man she saw.

Not really, we have a senior policeman involved in the case who said she did.

[misty]

That's what I thought too and the length of hair.  Different top and trousers as  well.
Is that Jane Tanner?



So is one Robert Naylor (Jayne and Naylor) and the other Robert Murat talking to Balu?

Maybe the top one RM has had a recent hair cut.  And taken on a different day.

Stripey T-shirt man is DP. Check out google images for frontal view.

[Robittybob1]

You can see why it is confusing

[Alfie]

Not really, we have a senior policeman involved in the case who said she did.

Where is the evidence of this?  A senior policeman who gets a positive id on a suspect but who then fails to record that evidence is not a policeman anyone can trust or take seriously I'm afraid.  Jane Tanner is adamant she did not ID Murat, there is no record in the files of her doing so, nor is there any likelihood of this mysterious piece of evidence existing in a file marked SECRET.  JT would not deny ID'ing Murat if there was the remotest possibility of there being official written or taped testimony to the contrary.   We can conclude from this that Amaral "misremembered".

[Robittybob1]

Where is the evidence of this?  A senior policeman who gets a positive id on a suspect but who then fails to record that evidence is not a policeman anyone can trust or take seriously I'm afraid.  Jane Tanner is adamant she did not ID Murat, there is no record in the files of her doing so, nor is there any likelihood of this mysterious piece of evidence existing in a file marked SECRET.  JT would not deny ID'ing Murat if there was the remotest possibility of there being official written or taped testimony to the contrary.   We can conclude from this that Amaral "misremembered".

I had to try and ID someone in a identity parade and I tell you honestly it isn't easy, it definitely isn't an exact science.

[Brietta]

I had to try and ID someone in a identity parade and I tell you honestly it isn't easy, it definitely isn't an exact science.

Without a shadow of a doubt, Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat or any other named individual as the man she saw crossing the road carrying a child the night Madeleine disappeared,

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4130.msg151774#msg151774

[Robittybob1]

Without a shadow of a doubt, Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat or any other named individual as the man she saw crossing the road carrying a child the night Madeleine disappeared,

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4130.msg151774#msg151774

OK that is then, but Amaral might say she didn't say this when he used her to id RM. 
What is the meaning of “I don’t think so.  I mean, I don’t, phew, I don’t, I don’t think it, no, there doesn’t, there’s no, but then the person I see in the paper doesn’t really look like my recollection of the person I met on the way to meet Bob SMALL. "
It sounds like she was with someone she thought was RM but when she see photos of RM she does recognise him.  So who was it she met going to see Bob Small?

[Brietta]

OK that is then, but Amaral might say she didn't say this when he used her to id RM. 
What is the meaning of “I don’t think so.  I mean, I don’t, phew, I don’t, I don’t think it, no, there doesn’t, there’s no, but then the person I see in the paper doesn’t really look like my recollection of the person I met on the way to meet Bob SMALL. "
It sounds like she was with someone she thought was RM but when she see photos of RM she does recognise him.  So who was it she met going to see Bob Small?

Just read Jane Tanner's rogatory statement ... it is unequivocal ... Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat.

[Robittybob1]

Just read Jane Tanner's rogatory statement ... it is unequivocal ... Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat.

I did have a clearer understanding of what she was talking about after reading this essay "Thursday, 23 April 2009
The “Niggle” and Strange Tale of Robert Murat
Was it a Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice?
PJ Reis and Associates"
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.nz/2009/04/niggle-and-strange-tale-of-robert-murat.html

I now might understand the story behind Jane's rogatory interview.

[Robittybob1]

According to Amaral:

At this time, images of Robert Murat – considered to be the main suspect – begin to be circulated all over the world. After they return to Ireland, the Smiths continue to follow the case. They learn that, according to Jane Tanner’s statements, Murat is definitely the man encountered on the night of the abduction

So, what statements by Jane Tanner re: Murat definitely being the man she saw were circulating the world in May 2007?

It has been pointed out that Amaral also said ""Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2160.msg71825#msg71825

[Benice]

Quote from: ferryman on January 19, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
We have.

In fairness, though, I think it's long since established that Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat as the man she saw.

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Not really, we have a senior policeman involved in the case who said she did.

Quote from Kate's book.

It was perhaps telling that Jane had not been required to sign anything, since the absence of documentary evidence to the contrary allowed claims to be made later that she had identified Murat as the man she's seen on 3 May.  This was completely untrue.   
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