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Offline Angelo222

Have the dog alerts any significance?
« on: January 08, 2017, 09:33:15 AM »
Stating that no evidential reliability can be attached to the dog alerts is professional jargon for we can't prove it one way or another.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2017, 09:57:35 AM »
Stating that no evidential reliability can be attached to the dog alerts is professional jargon for we can't prove it one way or another.
It means they are not evidence of anything
Quite simple

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2017, 10:00:52 AM »
It means they are not evidence of anything
Quite simple
The odour (the alert) doesn't confirm a name or confirm a crime, or even when the death did happen.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2017, 10:08:52 AM »
The odour (the alert) doesn't confirm a name or confirm a crime, or even when did the death happen.

The alert even if correct does not confirm a death in the apartment
And we don't know if the alert was genuine

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 10:12:47 AM »
The alert even if correct does not confirm a death in the apartment
And we don't know if the alert was genuine
With Eddie's track record my money is on Eddie being correct.  But as I've said that suspected cadaver body can't have been Madeleine.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 05:33:58 PM »
The alert even if correct does not confirm a death in the apartment
And we don't know if the alert was genuine

Fact: If Madeleine died in 5a for whatever reason her body didn't lie there long enough for cadaver odour to form.

However, what some people fail to acknowledge is that if Eddie did detect cadaver odour in 5a there are several reasons both innocent and not so innocent how that could be.  Cadaver odour does not wash off readily, everything it touches becomes contaminated.

If cadaver odour was found in 5a then the only reason it could have got there is by secondary transfer.  In such a situation therefore there is every possibility that it could relate to Madeleine given one particular theory. The further alerts to clothing owned by the McCann's would support this explanation.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 05:48:24 PM »
Fact: If Madeleine died in 5a for whatever reason her body didn't lie there long enough for cadaver odour to form.

However, what some people fail to acknowledge is that if Eddie did detect cadaver odour in 5a there are several reasons both innocent and not so innocent how that could be.  Cadaver odour does not wash off readily, everything it touches becomes contaminated.

If cadaver odour was found in 5a then the only reason it could have got there is by secondary transfer.  In such a situation therefore there is every possibility that it could relate to Madeleine given one particular theory. The further alerts to clothing owned by the McCann's would support this explanation.
I fail to understand the logic of that.  Somehow the clothing is contaminated on the night of the 3rd already.
How did it get contaminated if Madeleine was seen alive at 9:00 and found missing at 10:00?
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Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 06:01:35 PM »
Fact: If Madeleine died in 5a for whatever reason her body didn't lie there long enough for cadaver odour to form.

However, what some people fail to acknowledge is that if Eddie did detect cadaver odour in 5a there are several reasons both innocent and not so innocent how that could be.  Cadaver odour does not wash off readily, everything it touches becomes contaminated.

If cadaver odour was found in 5a then the only reason it could have got there is by secondary transfer.  In such a situation therefore there is every possibility that it could relate to Madeleine given one particular theory. The further alerts to clothing owned by the McCann's would support this explanation.

Further alerts to clothing?

What, you mean the clothing Eddie could find no hint of a scent on when he inspected it in the villa, yet (apparently!) could when the same clothing was transported in bog-standard cardboard box to the gym?

That clothing?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 06:05:48 PM »
Fact: If Madeleine died in 5a for whatever reason her body didn't lie there long enough for cadaver odour to form.

However, what some people fail to acknowledge is that if Eddie did detect cadaver odour in 5a there are several reasons both innocent and not so innocent how that could be.  Cadaver odour does not wash off readily, everything it touches becomes contaminated.

If cadaver odour was found in 5a then the only reason it could have got there is by secondary transfer.  In such a situation therefore there is every possibility that it could relate to Madeleine given one particular theory. The further alerts to clothing owned by the McCann's would support this explanation.

The flaw in your reasoning is we don't know that Eddie did alert to cadaver odour

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 06:09:34 PM »
The flaw in your reasoning is we don't know that Eddie did alert to cadaver odour
That too!
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 06:10:37 PM »
The alerts are a dogs dinner

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 06:12:51 PM »
The alerts are a dogs dinner

In your dreams.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 06:23:29 PM »
I fail to understand the logic of that.  Somehow the clothing is contaminated on the night of the 3rd already.
How did it get contaminated if Madeleine was seen alive at 9:00 and found missing at 10:00?

Its not hard to work out Robbie.  Was the contaminant carried back to 5a after the 3rd?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 06:24:05 PM »
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »
The flaw in your reasoning is we don't know that Eddie did alert to cadaver odour

No but that's what he was trained to find and has done so successfully on many prior occasions.  The logic by default is that he did in fact find cadaver odour.  His trainer certainly believes so.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 06:28:35 PM by Angelo222 »
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