Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Eleanor]

The footage which was originally on the internet was uncut raw footage, what remains today has been heavily edited.

First came the edited version from Levy, and named by him.

Then came the real one, which doesn't seem to be available anymore.

So now we appear to only have the edited version.

Personally, I don't care, but I did see Eddie throwing the toy around.

But since the toy was left on the bed of Madeline after she disappeared, then unless Madeleine laid dead in her bed for at least an hour and a half then there is no chance that the toy can have been contaminated.

[misty]

From the 2011 ACPO Police Dogs Manual of Guidance
https://cinotecniamilitar.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/201103uopdogsmog1-1.pdf
This part is interesting:-

Page 112

"Within the United Kingdom, Victim Detection Dogs are trained mainly on pork. Pork is the
meat which bears closest comparison to human flesh. Occasionally other meats, bones
and offal are used".

Eddie was also trained by PC John Ellis so Grime didn't have full responsibility for exactly what Eddie was trained on.

[ferryman]

First came the edited version from Levy, and named by him.

Then came the real one, which doesn't seem to be available anymore.

So now we appear to only have the edited version.

Personally, I don't care, but I did see Eddie throwing the toy around.

But since the toy was left on the bed of Madeline after she disappeared, then unless Madeleine laid dead in her bed for at least an hour and a half then there is no chance that the toy can have been contaminated.

That's correct.

I think Grime put the toy away in a cupboard after Eddie played with it (without alerting) to spare further embarrassment.

But Eddie (who wanted his toy back) compounded the embarrassment by barking to indicate that he wanted his toy back.

And the myth of 'death-scent on cuddle cat' was born.

None of it the fault of the dog, of course.

[John]

A cuddly toy was not Eddie's reward, John.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Apartment 5 D

We've put the victim recovery dog through this apartment, the only interest has been in some food that he has found, other than that there is no interest in anything that he has been taught to tell me that he has found.

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.

Apparently it was at one time.

[pathfinder73]

Cuddle Cat

[ferryman]

What point is being made by the sequence of photos above?

[pathfinder73]

To have a close look at Cuddle Cat which was the only item Eddie touched in the villa and is actual evidence from the missing child's bed unless you have found her pink princess blanket?

[Mr Gray]

The thread is " do the alerts have any significance" and it is significant that an american expert has agreed with me in that there is no scientific evidence to support unconfirmed alerts

[ferryman]

To have a close look at Cuddle Cat which was the only item Eddie touched in the villa and is actual evidence from the missing child's bed unless you have found her pink princess blanket?

Dogs attending a crime-scene shouldn't touch anything, particularly that (at least potentially) might be of forensic significance.

[jassi]

By the time the dog touched it, Cuddlecat was well passed any forensic significance.

[John]

The FBI and most leading police agencies have ongoing development programmes aimed at fine tuning the science.

http://www.livescience.com/1244-breakthrough-sniffing-buried-bodies.html

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/cadaverdogs.html

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/expert_well-trained_cadaver_dogs_95_percent_accurate_can_smell_remains_15_feet_d.html

[Mr Gray]

The FBI and most leading police agencies have ongoing development programmes aimed at fine tuning the science.  Is that the sort of study you mean?

they are fine tuning the dogs ability to detect cadaver scent.

There are no scientific studies to support the value of unconfirmed alerts

[Mr Gray]

The FBI and most leading police agencies have ongoing development programmes aimed at fine tuning the science.  Is that the sort of study you mean?

http://www.livescience.com/1244-breakthrough-sniffing-buried-bodies.html

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/expert_well-trained_cadaver_dogs_95_percent_accurate_can_smell_remains_15_feet_d.html

both those articles are about detecting physical remains.....not remnant scent


ive already said the dogs are invaluable at finding phsical evidence  but there is no science behind the claims for remnant scent

[Mr Gray]

That seems to be the confusion of posters on here....they look at figures taht apply to the detection of actual physical remains and think they apply to remnant scent

in cases where physical remains are present the scent will obviously be alot stronger and easier to detect

[John]

That seems to be the confusion of posters on here....they look at figures taht apply to the detection of actual physical remains and think they apply to remnant scent

in cases where physical remains are present the scent will obviously be alot stronger and easier to detect

Cadaverine is remnant scent and can be found with or without a body.  When VRD's start work they are searching for the scent on which they were trained.